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Survey7/15/08 5:32 AM
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Alan H wrote:
"A verse which has been grossly perverted by many of our moderns is John 7:39, "The Holy Spirit was not yet given, because that Jesus was not yet glorified." It seems passing strange that with the Old Testament in their hands, some men should place the construction which they do upon those words. The words "was not yet given" can no more be understood absolutely than "Enoch was not" (Gen. 5:24); they simply mean that the Spirit had not yet been given in His full administrative authority.
Alan H,

I am reminded of another commentator of Scripture who said, "Yea, hath God said," Ge 3:1.

Here is the full statement and the reader may decide for himself if these words can be believed.

37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the


Survey7/14/08 11:04 PM
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Your problem DJC49 is the same as enough already's (where you get some of these names I don't know). You do not have a clue about the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Enough already in a previous post has him convicting of sin 3 1/2 years before he came into the world for that purpose. Now you seem to be struggling with the meaning of the word "sanctification" and the ministry of the Spirit. You have already indicated that you do not comprehend the condition of the gentiles given in time past in Ep 2:12 and when Jesus Christ says he is the beginning of the church at his resurrection in Col 1:18, I am almost sure you will insist on moving him backwards at least 4000 years to eternity past (wouldn't want to upset your calvinism you understand). And for the historical account of the gentiles being made partakers of the grace of God in Acts 10 is surely no beginning for us gentiles. After all, being without God and without Christ and having no hope in times past and now having Christ in our hearts and the hope of glory is comparable in your narrow view. No beginning there! Lets move on.

He called us by the gospel to salvation. The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. He began to do that in Acts 10. Before this the gentiles were in trouble. Act 26:18.


Survey7/14/08 10:41 PM
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Enough already

I know what the gospel is and I know how to present it. The gospel that Jesus and John the baptist preached was not the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Give me a break! The Holy Spirit was not present to convince of sin, righteousness, and judgment to come during their ministry. And you accuse me, how did you say it, "You aren't familiar with the Holy Spirit's ministry, and you use lots of words to basically say nothing." Good grief man!

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Matt. 4:17-this, btw, was the first sermon preached by Christ. No one knows they're sick until a doctor gives them a diagnosis, likewise, sinners aren't aware of their deadly condition of sin until they are shown through scripture.

Where does he mention either sin or salvation? He said he began preaching the gospel of the kingdom to the Jews and doing kingdom miracles to convince them that the king was present.

Listen to this statement by Jesus Christ about the Holy Spirit spoken 3 1/2 years after Matt 4:17!

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Read the context. It is not until he comes that he will convict of sin.


Survey7/14/08 9:58 PM
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enough already wrote:
JD-how much emphasis to you put on repentance? This gospel of love you say you preach will not bring anyone under conviction, and without conviction, there is no godly sorrow which leads to repentance. {2 Cor. 7:10}.
I am amazed at how little confidence calvinists have in the word of God, the gospel. God said it is the power of God unto salvation and by the foolishness of preaching he has chosen to save those who believe.

Repentance is a condition of the heart brought about of ones knowledge of good and evil and through the understanding of accountability to God for ones actions. The conscience is the first thing in anyones life that condemns him and it is through it that God gets our attention by his word. The law of God, the 10 commandments, provides his standard for his judgment and when one considers that he has broken his law and is deserving of his condemnation, then his repentance is unto life. Therefore, repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin and cannot be separated. One cannot have saving faith without repentance and one cannot have repentance without faith. It is all of God but it is not as you say, pre-elect, infused regeneration. It is through his word that all this is accomplished.


Survey7/14/08 9:42 PM
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I lovingly accuse you of heavy-duty, Dispensational eisegesis in your treatment

Think about it.

On second thought, JD, don't bother yourself thinking about it ... you might hurt yourself.
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"Lovingly," Ha Ha.

Please feel free to accuse me of anything you desire but don't try to intimidate me with your accusations and scoffing and condescension.

However, the thought has occured to me that this text has ambiguity, especially for a person like you and it is not wise I think to draw a battle line of dogmatism, (and you are as dogmatic as I am, BTW). From my conversations with you I actually think you have not given much thought to some of the things you comment on.

Nevertheless, the text is not the same as Jn 3:16 where one such as myself must draw the battle line and defend the faith and the character of God and the integrity of his word.
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Wrong, Brother Smith! It's neither one soul more nor one soul less. The elect comprise the entire population of all those to be saved ... the "whosoevers."

Silly you. You seem to be challenged on whatever subject you comment on. The elect comprise the entire population of those who will be saved. One cannot be chosen by the setting apart of the Spirit before the Spirit comes to do the job. 2 Th 2:13


Survey7/14/08 6:18 PM
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Please take note that Galatians was written some 3 years BEFORE Romans and in that epistle Paul writes: "There is neither Jew nor Greek ... ye are all one in Christ Jesus." [Gal 3:28] So why, then, would Paul turn around and make some kind of distinction between Jew & Gentile in the middle of Romans 8 ... an epistle written to Gentiles?
Answer? He didn't!

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Easy, big guy. Don't bust a gut.

There is no distinction "IN CHRIST JESUS". However, it would have been impossible for Paul to have written the NT and explained the myster which is the church had he not used the terms Jews and gentiles. And while those terms did not mean much to you and me in this century and on this continent, it did mean plenty to them of the first century Asia.

The church of Jesus Christ sprung from the covenants of Israel. It was a new thing for the Jews. It took a long time for them to come to grips with having gentiles included on an equal basis with them.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit

The Jews had the firstfruits of the Spirit whether you like it or not and the creation here refers to the ihabitantants just like the word world does in Jn 3:16. The wait is for the bringing to light the sons of God, the resurrection of the body


Survey7/14/08 5:48 PM
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Apologies accepted, friend.

You wrote:

It does appear that your arguments seem to be with Calvinists. Am I wrong?

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No, you are not wrong but Mike is a much more gracious commentator than I am. I could learn from him.
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And, with JD, it appears to be proving the Gentiles having replaced, and/or are now the true Israel. Am I wrong?
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Yes you are wrong. Israel is Israel no matter what the context and the church of Jesus Christ is separate and apart from it. The only exception is when God makes application of the types in Ro 9 and those in this age who are the offspring of Jacob, the spiritual seed, he that was born second, after the flesh, Esau, and is a child of God (in type) because of it. These are called the Israel of God but that does not mean there is not still an Israel after the flesh. The context does not make that argument, it makes just the opposite. The spiritual of Israel, the "Israel of God" are still Israel and are one of the two parts that make up the church of Jesus Christ, the gentiles being the other.

Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Jew and gentile in context.

I hope this helps you.


Survey7/14/08 5:30 PM
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I don't know about you fellows but I have quoted John 3:16 to many a sinner. I have also quoted John 3:17 and 18. It is usually my first verses that I quote on the street corner when we go out to preach in the open air. I am not concerned that I will quote the wrong verse.

God does love the world! He says so! That is good enough for me.

I also quote Rom 5:8 and 2 Cor 5:21 and 1 Pet 3:18 and He 2:9 and JN 14:6 and heb 9:27 and Re 20:11-15 and Jn 11:25 and 10:9 and Re 22:17 and a host of others because they are all true as written. I go out with full assurance that God sent his son to save the worlkd because he loved the world and whosoever will believe the gospel will be saved whether they were elect before the foundation of the world or not. There is no verse that says he will save only the elect. That is just an excuse for some not to go. It is the theology of the proud and arrogant. It is criminal! He saves whosoever will believe. That is much broader than the elect. He then wonderfully elects them that he saves!


Survey7/14/08 5:10 PM
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DefenderofTruth wrote:
Thank you for focusing my attention on the original question. I got side-tracked by the contentions between Calvinists and Arminians.
Mike from NY is not an Arminian and I think he would be offended if he was called one. I know I would be.
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DJC49

Have you never read the book of Acts? It is the history of the beginning of the Church of Jesus Christ. It had it's beginning when the Holy Ghost was sent and he began to indwell believers in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The first and only believers in the first few years were Jews. After 7 or 8 years, God began to broaden the influence of the gospel and included the Samaritans and the Hamites in Acts 8. Later in Acts 10 he included the gentiles. This was always the plan see Acts 1:8.

Now, for you to say the Jews were not the firstfruits of the Spirit is just being either hard headed and stubborn or way ignorant. I do not think you are ignorant so you must be stubborn.

Do you men even accept the historical context of Scripture important at all?

BTW, Ro 8 is the comprehensive chapter of the ministry of the Holy Spirit. I will finish your quote because it is important. "Who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit". V 1


Survey7/14/08 1:48 PM
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DefenderofTruth wrote:
Just read Zechariah - God has a plan for the Jewish people.
You will certainly get no argument from me on that point, friend.

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Are Peter and Paul one of these very 'religious' people you wrote about as I never read of them telling their hearers in Acts as they proclaimed the Gospel that God loves you.
That was not the message they were commissioned to proclaim. They were to proclaim the grace and mercy of God. The motivation of God was in his own realm of diety. We are to proclaim the message of salvation even to our enemies which means we do not have to have love for them. Many have, you know. Have you not read the testimony of persecuted saints that have won their antagonists?
(Grace, mercy, and peace, Paul usually said).
Love is an eternal principle used to govern perfect people in the perfect eternal state.

1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity.


Survey7/14/08 12:45 PM
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The apostle Paul was given added revelation and understanding of those things that God had planned for this age, a plan that included the gentiles and every creature under haeaven but had not been revealed. He had special priviledge of being God's apostle to the gentiles, not only to carry the message of God's salvation to them but to explain their duties and reponsibilities and privileges in that relationship with Jesus Christ. It was through him God would make known the mystery of the church that included both Jews and gentiles without distinction of position or worth, a mystery that God had kept hidden and unrevealed.

He had said to the disciples
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Paul said

Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

2Co 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

It was Paul who had to correct Peter concerning the Jews proper response to gentiles, See Ga 1.

The great doctrines of the church are given and explained through Paul's letters. If these things are not taken into account, then ones doctrines will be in error.


Survey7/14/08 11:41 AM
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I think I should make an attempt to educate some on here of the divide between the Jews and gentiles that existed in the first century. The Jews considered the gentiles to be dogs and outside any consideration of redemption through their own national covenants and relationship with God. Indeed, the Jews attitude of superiority and exclusion was a theme of Paul's instruction to them is his letters. As late as 10 years after the Spirit was given and the church began the Jew believers were preaching only to other Jews. See Acts 11:9. It took a special vision from God to convince Peter, the chief apostle, that he intended to include the gentiles. See acts 10. The reaction of the Jewish believers in Jerusalem was immediate and instead of rejoicing that others were being saved, they contended with Peter because of the ministry to gentiles See Acts 11:1-3 and the contention became so great over time that the apostles needed to convene a counsel to determine if Christianity was an extension of Judaisim and the gentiles were therefore compelled to keep parts of the ceremonial laws of Moses. The answer of course was no and John said in 1 Jn 2:19 that the Jews separated from them and began their own denomination of works. They were the chief antagonists of Paul, the one chosen to explain th

Survey7/14/08 11:05 AM
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DJC49

I could not help noticing that you did not deal with any of my Scriptrure references and you did not say why Paul made a distinction of those who received the "firstfruits" of the Spirit in Ro 8. Do you not believe the things he recorded in Romans resulting from the ministry of Jesus Christ took place in a historical scenario? Do you even think there was a "firstfruits of the Spirit? See Ja 1:18 addressed to the 12 tribes of Israel and read the church beginning history of Acts.

It is quite easy to scoff at someone else and attempt to gain a following, like the lone wolf, who thinks your saying nothing is a great sign of intelligence and spirituality but it is much more difficult to present a reasoned and studied opinion. You must know that because you seldom try it.

You have proven your propensity to rewrite Scripture to align with your adopted theology system and to interpret it rather than believe it. A very dangerous trait if I do say so myself.

BTW, the creatures are more than gentiles, they are everyone under heaven!

Lone wolf,

Your last post is a demonstration of someone who is making an effort to misunderstand what was said. But, being a forgiving person, I will let it pass.


Survey7/14/08 8:20 AM
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A clear distinction by comparison of Scripture for the sake of DJC49 and his non understanding of the word "creature".

Israel are called Sheep. They were in Israel when Jesus Christ ministered to them and sent his dicsiples to them.

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Gentiles are called "creatures". They are in the world. (God loves them)

Mr 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

If the creature was not in the world, why did Jesus tell the disciples to go into the world to preach to each of them? They were already in Israel.

Paul thought the creature were all peoples under heaven. That is quite braod.

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Why does DJC49 not think creature means peoples in Romans 8? He does not say. He merely scoffs. I wonder if he could give the Scriptures saying who the creatures are in his world?


Survey7/14/08 7:36 AM
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DJC49 wrote:
There ARE no "proof texts" to be found in all of Romans 8 concerning a distinction between Jews & Gentiles! The subject is never even touched upon.

Oh ... wait a minute ... perhaps the word "creature" found in vv. 19, 20, and 21 refers to the Gentiles. Right,
Silly me.

DJC49,

Your stubborn denial of truth is why you do err.

Read these words carefully and see if your above statement is correct.

Ro 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Ro 15:18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,

The Romans were gentiles! Paul, a Jew! We in Ro 8:23 = Jews.

Ro 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Ga 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;

Ro 15:27b For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their (Jews) spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things


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It is a grave error to have a religion that requires the changing of words and meanings of words to support it. That religion will not stand up at the judgment. If the religion requires that world must mean elect in Jn 3:16 then that religion is wrong.

That statement by God says that God so loved the world. He did not just love the world, but he "so" loved the world that he gave his own son to save it.World means world, everyone.

Jesus, his son, agrees!

46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

It would be silly to think the elect could reject him. But some have not received his words, they have changed them right here before our eyes.

Ro 5:8 says God died for sinners because of the love of God and for them it is somehow an exclusionary statement

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dea


Survey7/13/08 5:23 PM
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Quote,

Mike from New York has tried to point out to you that God is applying the types that these two brothers reprersent but you will not listen. This is a NT truth that God is presentiung to us here in Romans. The epistle was written in AD 58, long after the beginning of the church in AD 30. Paul, the apostle, is the only person in the world at this time that could have presented these truths to and about Israel in this present age.

For you men to make this about calvinists with your perverted view of God is an absolute crime against heaven. And for you men to suggest that God hates Israel with a hatred like you and I have for an object of our disdain only proves you have not read and considered the whole passage of Ro 9-11 and noted where he says that 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in", and that he could not have meant what you say by this staement Ro 9:6 For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" What kind of sense would it make for Paul to still be calling the fleshly and lost Israel by the name Israel if he did?

Your theology is blinding you to truth!


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I do not know about anyone else on this forum but I do know what God said about who is the object of his love and unless he modifies it from "world" to "elect", I am going to believe what he clearly said. That is, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

There is safety there because he said "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." Ps 119:89

There is no safety in modifying the word of God!

He says

Ga 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise (The Holy Ghost) by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Believing comes before life and is the second cause of it.

The life is the Holy Spirit, the promise, the gift of God and is what the world whom God loves receives when they believe on Jesus Christ. This is Good News.


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The comments by DJC49 is somewhat disturbing to me, in this way. I posted 3 different passages that demonstrated the point that God's dealing with the gentiles and Israel was different than anything heretofore. I did not make it up. I quoted passges that clearly said it. These passages gave information about the relationship of the gentiles to God before the cross and the promise of the Holy Spirit was given. We were told plainly that faith has NOW come and the relationship is different.We already know what the relationship between the Jews and gentiles were before this time and we do not need much commentary about it.

We were told in those passages that Romans has a theme, the gospel of God. I pointed it out and suggested that a capsule definition of it was given in Ro 16:25,26. The gospel of God is the good news that the gentiles are accepted by God on the same terms as the Jews, that is by believing in Jesus Christ and the two will be made one body, the body of Christ which is referred to in Rom as the "mystery, which was kept secret since the world began," but is revealed in Ephesians with a particular name, "the mystery of Christ", the theme of that epistle.

I gave proof texts that a distinction was made by Paul, the writer, between Jews and gentiles in Ro 8.


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It always makes it easier to understand God when he includes his reason for doing something in the statement he makes. See if you can see the reaaon for God's foreknowing the gentiles and predestinating them to be conformed to the image of his son in the following verse.

Ro 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

You are right if you said it was for the purpose that his son might be the firstborn among MANY brethren.

The key thought here is MANY! God had said of the Jews, who were the first recipients of the gospel. It says so right here in this chapter. Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

He had said about the Jews.

Mt 22:14 For many are called, but few [are] chosen.

No space here to do it but one should persue the remnant of Israel doctrine now.

Because of their failure to believe, God opened his pre-planned door of faith to the gentiles.

Ac 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you (unbelieving Jews), that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and [that] they will hear it.

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