Theonomy isn't a church movement, but it is common in reformed circles. I spent at least a decade fighting the culture, so to speak, that I erred by getting my eyes off of Heaven. So, right now I'm just trying to stay in the Word and aware of what's happening in the culture, while knowing who is in control (and it isn't Satan.)
Allie is right: I haven't read Knox's Monstrous Regiment of Women, but I have read where Calvin thought Knox went too far in his denouncing female leaders and he used Queen Elizabeth as an example of a good leader. I also think some of the regular posters here at SA are contentious and aren't setting a good example for others. So, while I've got 900+ characters left, let me also say that I've changed down through the years and probably wouldn't be as enthusiastic in commenting on the sermon from Pastor Trewhella as I've been quoted from in 2011. FYI - I was part of the theonomy movement for a decade and left it a couple of years ago as my understanding of Scripture increased.
sf from tx wrote: Angela wrote: "please continue to follow your Pastors advice as the good Lord has placed you under his care" On the contrary, 1 Corinthians 14:35 "and if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church" She is not under her pastors care but her husbands care. She is to ask her husband questions not the pastor. The pastor deals with the men and the men with their own families. Before God each men stands or falls for his obedient to the Lord in leading his family. This is of course assuming her husband is a believer. If not then she should ask the pastors wife for advice and the pastors wife could speak to her own husband about the matter. In the end, it doesn't matter what a pastor tells a woman. She is under her husbands headship and is to be obedient to her own husband. See Titus 2:5 Of course, this is not an excuse to go against what the Lord says. Sin
Hi SF! I don't comment here often, so I don't really know the circumstances of others who do - I was assuming Allie is single. Anyway, her pastor is charged with caring for her soul, so she should take his advice unless it is contrary to Scripture.
Hi Allie! If you are a single woman, then of course you can work outside the home, etc. I think the main concern I and others have is there are so many unmarried young women who traded matrimony for a career or who placed in dangerous situations, such as this article speaks of. I've worked outside the home as a Real Estate agent, which did not violate my conscience as I was submitting to my husband's request to work and I was an independent contractor with no authority over men. Please continue to follow your pastor's advice as the good Lord has placed you under his care.
I've come to respect the preaching of Rev. David Silversides and plan to listen to his sermon [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=324051453]]]"A word about women from the King of the church." [/URL] I trust his message will be Scriptural and help clear up confusion on the roles of men and women. As a side note: I feel very much in the minority in the reformed church regarding the belief in male headship. You would be amazed at how much ridicule I've experienced from other reformed ladies.
Yes, Pastor Trewhella's sermon series on the "Debased Theology of the Monstrous Regiment of Christian Feminists" is excellent! Thanks so much to Allie for bringing it to our attention. I think I'll listen to it again and possibly share it with others.
I also want to remind those commenting that Mrs. Davis was surrounded by Christians throughout her ordeal and many prayed with and for her. I got my information from a brother in the Lord who had been part of the vigil surrounding Mrs. Davis in Kentucky... No one was more heartbroken than him when she was released from jail and made her statement that she just didn't want her name on the marriage licenses and that she didn't care if homosexuals married. Also, I'm concerned that the family groups are using Mrs. Davis to further their agenda. When she was first arrested I spent that first night in prayer for her instead of sleeping, so please don't think I haven't been rooting for her. I'm still praying for her to have wise counselors.
For NB - I supported Kim Davis in the beginning because I thought she was taking a Biblical stand as a lesser magistrate against judicial tyranny. But, it appears she was taking a stand as an individual who did not care if sodomites marry, but only that her name is not on the license. This is a poor Christian witness and it does not make her a hero. Of course, I hope and pray for her well-being, but I think a weak theology will produce poor fruit. May the good Lord be pleased to help her grow in knowledge and understanding. Amen.
I try to check on the news posted at SA daily and I often find Jim's links helpful. So, please continue to post them. Also, I supported Kim Davis in the beginning because I thought she was taking a stand as an elected official against unlawful marriage in Kentucky and against Federal intrusion. But, when I read that she was returning to work ($80,000 per year salary!) and her reasons - she just didn't want her name on the licenses, I've withdrawn my support. It seems to me that if she just doesn't want her name on the licenses, she really should resign her position. I also think her poor theology is contributing to her stand (or lack of) on this issue.
In response to Silofolous - Yes, I believe Kim Davis is a Christian and like many of us, she's probably still growing in knowledge and faith. I read a statement of faith for the Apostolic Christian Church and it read like they believe in the trinity. The only thing I found fault with in the statement is they do believe in a spiritual baptism, such as speaking in tongues (?). I'm open to correction if anyone has more information. Anyway, I think it is best to support Kim Davis and realize she's taking a stand for religious liberty that we can all benefit from.
According to the reports I've heard, this woman is a recent convert to Christianity, so let's uphold her in prayer and marvel at how the good Lord can use just one woman in a small county in Kentucky to capture the nation's attention and bring glory to Himself.
After reading the article it sounds like they took her statement made in good sense and blew it out of proportion. Frankly, I'm glad to hear that she's survived her rock 'n roll years and appears to have some morals. She isn't saying blame the victim - please read her words carefully. Thanks!
In all truthfulness, this is probably the best thing that could happen to this family, now the younger children can grow up in a somewhat normal household (hopefully) without the world watching; I'm glad for the Duggars and Christianity in general. For those whining that a depraved program will take their place - simply turn-off the TV and pick up your Bible to read or better yet, have family devotions.
Dear Mourner, There are reports that the Duggars' weren't completely forthcoming and that the sex abuse may have been downplayed due to the father being a State Rep. at one point. My place: It seems to me that since I've become a Christian (20+ yrs ago), the good Lord has placed me in a position of reporting Christian news and views, so I guess I better get back to it! Also, if anyone wants to quote Scripture my way, please be sure it's in context and you actually know me. Thanks!
My focus isn't on Josh Duggar - I accept that he has repented and become a new creation in Christ. My concern is the attitude of fellow Christians who want this hushed up much like the Catholic Church scandals we've all heard about... I think this needs to be discussed and Christian parents warned to be on the look out for warning signs of sex abuse in their families. Also, children need to be encouraged to tell on friends, siblings, parents, etc. who try to abuse them. They should not be shamed into thinking it's their fault this happened or that telling is gossip or tale-bearing.