Something to consider please... the bible teaches that the earth is fixed and immovable. Tje bible does not teach that the earth spins and moves around a centered sun. Lets start with the bible. If someone can prove biblically the " accepted " model, im all ears.
Again... i still have many questions that have to be answered.
May main concern on this topic(as it should be for all of you) is proving the math.
We can go to websites from Christian scientists and make claims based on what they say. But many of us have been Led astray in times past by doing the same thing in regards to Bible teaching. We can sit in a church house and listen to a teacher speaking from the pulpit and be led astray. But what do most of us on this board do. We go to the Lord and his word. Once he opens our eyes we can discern false teaching. So don't make the same mistake when it comes to scientists. You are all smart people. The Lord has given you that mind. I realize this is very hard to even consider. It's not for everybody. I once again the only thing that matters is doing the Lord's will and walking with him.
Then there is the felix Baumgartner redbull aky dive. They had the fisheye lense that showed the "curve" of the earth. Well, he did the jump from new Mexico. Look at the footage again. Does new Mexico cover the whole earth? Because as far as you can see across the whole curve of the Earth is the plane of New Mexico.
From everything ive seen there is a "flatness" to the earth and the horizon irregardless to height. You ask for a defined shape. I have no clue. Ive already stated that unless i see it from the Lord's point of view i won't make an exact claim. The issue isn't me declaring the shape. The issue is the shape that is declared to us by the experts.. A sphere 25,000 miles across at the equator. The sphere must be proven. Thats the point.
The 90 miles from Catalina that i speak of is an altitude of about 3500'. You might say "ahh ha!". But it still comes down to math. The highest point of Catalina is roughly 2100'. But remember your on a ball. Not only is the object 5400' over the curve, the object is curving away from you. So seeing flat water behind it is still mathematically impossible.
The math must be addressed.
There is a famous video on line of a weather man in Michigan showing a photo of the Chicago skyline from 60 miles away. You can see it perfectly on a clear day with the right lense. Ypu know what he said? "You should not be able to see it. What you see in the picture is a mirage." Lol. Than he goes on to explain light refraction as the reason. I say hogwash.
I think the issue is that people fear ridicule. They fear the idea of entertaining anything that a "tin foil hat wearing" person would entertain.
Believe me. When i first encountered flat earth ideas, i said to myself "give me a break. This has got to be the most ridiculous thing ive heard of." But i gave it a chance to prove itself. Does it have remaining questions? Satellites, asteroids, meteors, etc.
The case is still on going.
But at the end of the day, walking with the Lord and doing his will is all that matters.
As far as a boat disappearing over the horizon... High powered lenses have been used to capture boats farther than the naked eye can see. And you can still see the bottom of the boat relative to the waves. Which naturally move up and down. Now if the earth is 25,000 miles around, than a boat that is 6' high(for sake of discussion) would be completely over the curve of the earth at 5 miles. And at 90 miles an object should be 5400' over the curve of the earth. How then can i see Catalina island from 90 miles away (on a clear day) with flat water behind it? This is mathematically impossible. Further more, researchers have sent balloons 70,000' into the atmosphere with a non fish eye lense (important) and the horizon in all directions is at eye level of the camera and flat. Mathematically impossible. All you need to do is use they're own math against them.
Mike... i merely pointed out that the U.N. logo is a flat earth map.
Spiritual wickedness in high places has an investment in deception... Without the ball earth and its insignificant place as a spec in the universe there would be no- Big bang Extraterrestrial life Atheism Mormons Ufo cults And the big one... Evolution (Which is the main religion of our time. Man evolving into higher being.)
It all falls apart if the earth is "flat". Which would make it the center of the "universe". The stars declare it. The north star doesn't move, and all the stars rotate around it. That is a fact. So if the earth spins 1000 mph, and the earth rotates around the sun at 67,000 mph, and the milky way is traveling at 186,000 mph through space.. how can these stars always, and without fail, never change they're place in the night sky? They will tell you its because theyre billions and billions of light years away. Ive heard that one before.. "Billions of years ago..."
Christopher... round doesn't have to be a ball. Picture a fixed circular "plane". The sun and the moon rotation clockwise around the center. The sun being the hour hand, and the moon being the minute hand. The seasons and temperature are related to the sun rotating closer to the center in the northern hemisphere in summer causing winter in the lower hemisphere. It also explains the colder climate of Antarctica compared to the arctic.
Academia has gone all in on the theory taught to us all as children. If space program got up there and found out they were wrong, would they tell us? The powers of the world are under evil intentions.
Sorry to shock you my friend. The time and energy that you put into your responses to people is admirable. Its full of love and I respect it. The post in question really had little to do with flat earth. It was years of indirect/direct mocking posts that i have no respect for. Its easy to poke at people when you don't address them directly. That way nobody can claim you are attacking them. He admitted it one time a while back, and all was forgiven. But continued after that. So it wasn't the subject that i hold dear. It was the motive.
Look...the questions that arise about the feasibility of a flat Earth are incredibly numerous. They all are questions I have. The vastness of the conspiracy is almost too much to bear for some people. That's why I will never say I believe in it. to make that claim is to accept it completely.
We must always be reminded that the heart of man is fully set on doing evil. The heart is sick in natural man. Sp under that understanding the conspiracy is possible.
I guess its easier to just mock "flat earthers" ,who, btw don't mention that they are "flat earthers", then to just consider things that are said? Or at least have the decency to answer directed questions. These mockers ask questions, and then when someone answers them, they just ask another mocking question?
Well... you win the title of "President of the sarcasm club". Its your club.
The edge? Maybe admiral Richard Byrd found it? He went on 2 expeditions to Antarctica. After his first expedition he did an interview that describes Antarctica a little different than its described today. That interview is on youtube. The second military operation, which was titled "operation highjump" was the last expedition. Immediately following that expedition a treaty was signed among several nations to protect Antarctica. A treaty that stands to this day. Around that same time, the US military engaged in "operation fishbowl". Shooting warheads into the atmosphere. Operation fishbowl? Interesting name, lol.
The idea is that the interior of Antarctica is the edge. If you go south from anywhere on earth you would hit Antarctica. Which works on a flat map or a globe. The U.N. logo is a flat earth map. Just some tidbits to chew on.
I don't wear a black face mask or saggy pants... i do have a shaved head though...
A circle doesn't have to be a ball. A circle can be a ball from a distance. But it can also be a "flat" circle. So that scripture does not prove a spinning ball.
To say the earth is flat, is to say its not a spinning ball. Water always settles level, or flat. So water is flat. The earth itself has a varying heights and depths. How deep it is? God knows. 40,230 ft. Is the deepest man has dug into the earth. Again folks, i haven't seen the earth from "space". Have you?
Its an interesting study to those who are willing to at least consider it.
Remember, the world and the powers that be hate God and his creation. So they pervert it. For example, most scientists say that the universe and the earth were made by nothing. Which is intellectual insanity. Nothing made everything? But we (believers) know that its created by the Lord.
May the Lord be praised.
And may the Lord cause his saints to be perfectly one.
Spherical trigonometry anyone? Flat earthers have some very compelling arguments if you're willing to think about it. But most people won't think about it because they've grown up knowing for certain that it's a ball. Or some people who are speaking about it are unbelievers. Isn't it the same thing with the scientist and professors who tell you we live on a spinning ball? I'm not saying it's flat, and I'm not saying it's a ball. Until I see God's creation from his vantage point, I can't make any claim. And I certainly don't take the word of man as law. Just because they show me pictures on television? Or invested scientist or professors tell me what it is? You'd think this is heretical to even consider it based on some of these comments. Funny, it was probably considered such 100 to 200 years ago for a believer to believe we are on a spinning ball.
I grew up believing jesus was a blue eyed long haired surfer looking dude. Thats what my eyes told me. I believed in him, but once i was born again, i knew him for certain.
Ahh... Babylon must be inclusive to all and show her true intentions.
I recently went to a famous national park in my state. In the heart of the park is an old church built in the 1800's. It is still a functional "church" building in which you can attend "service" on Sunday, or even have a wedding there. When i walked into this church something struck me as odd. Behind the pulpit hanging on the wall was a mural with pretty flowers on it and the word 'love'. There were no bibles to be found in site. I pulled back the mural to discover a cross on the wall. I also discovered the bibles hidden behind a veil in a book case in the front of the church. Though i wasnt surprised, i was grieved. Cowards.
This is where we are. Let us not be cowards like them.