Adelphos wrote:
Actually, the Greek word "mia" in that verse may translated and is translated in the Bible as "first", so an Elder may have a second or third wife too!

Tts 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of ONE WIFE, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

Why one (first) wife? Because God hates divorce (putting away) the wife of youth and covenant.

Mal 2:14 the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet [is] she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. 16 For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away:

David C. wrote:
Ok, am I the only one that sees the insanity of arguing that God joined Adam and Eve together, so we should all be monogamous. If there are only 2 people in existance, of course they were a monogamous couple. Polygamy wasn't a choice yet, but as soon as more people came along, then THERE WAS POLYGAMY ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.

Quoting you: "I don't want to hear anyone's opinions or philosophies- just Bible from people who care about what it actually says and not those who commit the sin (Yes, it's a sin) of adding their personal beliefs to the Bible."

Are you willing to live by your own rules and sin not? Produce the scripture proof texts for your assertion. Also proof texts confirming David "knew" his master's wives.

Don't you think it a strange thing that every promoter of polygamy must scrounge around in the Law and Prophets for something to hang their perversion on but nothing can be found in support of polygamy in the New Testament?

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Adelphos wrote:
Being in the minority did not stop people like Martin Luther, John Calvin, the Puritans, and many others who believed that God's Word is the final authority.
Majority Rule theology is absurd!

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Adelphos wrote:
Furthermore, if you really feel like you have a case, I do not mind your proving me wrong...

Adelphos wrote:
You obviously missed the point about the allegory. The allegory informs us that since God is 100% Holy, why would He portray Himself as practing immorality. The fact of the matter is that polygyny is never condemned- period!

Exd 34:14-15 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God: Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and [one] call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you:

WSG wrote:
For those of you who are against polygamy, be sure to read Ezekiel 23. God gives an allegory of Himself as a polygamist and of course, God's approval of polygamy is eternal. He does not change.

Read Malachi 2:14-16 reeeeeal carefully about ten times and you may see that God saw the SPIRITS of these two families as His wife of His covenant which these two families broke.

DJC49 wrote:
"whole world"
Rom 1:8 "First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the WHOLE WORLD." -- Did Paul actually think that the American Indians or the Chinese (et al.) of the 1st century were speaking about the faith of the saints at Rome?

1Jo 5:19 "[And] we know that we are of God, and the WHOLE WORLD lieth in wickedness." -- Did John actually think that even those of the faith 'lieth in wickedness'?

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the **whole world**.

Having studied all the appearances of kosmos in the NT for several years I've concluded that all appearances can be separated into two separate and distinct groups:

1) The kingdom (kosmos) of God being the children of the free woman (Sarah) and vessels of mercy blessed of God.

2) The kingdom (kosmos) of Satan being children of the bondwoman (Hagar) and vessels of wrath cursed of God.

Dr. Phil wrote:
As for me, I am exiting this rabbit hole.

JD wrote:
Sola Scriptura wrote
Observation Post, do you really think those verses proved Limited Atonement? If you think so, you are in bad shape.
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Don't you get it yet? These boys are not trying to prove the Scriptures are right, they are trying to prove Sola Calvinism.
One cannot do both!

Sola Scriptura wrote:
do you really think those verses proved Limited Atonement? If you think so, you are in bad shape.
Jesus died for the sheep just as He died for those who are not the sheep.
Eph 5:25 is a long shot. Jesus gave himself for the church...who would argue that? He also gave his life for those not in the church.

1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he (Abraham) should be the ***heir of the world*** (kosmos), [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them [be] ***the reconciling of the world*** (kosmos-children of promise), what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?

2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, **reconciling the world (kosmos-children of promise) unto himself**, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Sola Scriptura wrote:
Jesus died for every man.

Truth. God's flock (sheep) are men while the uncircumcized in heart and flesh are unclean strangers. (Eze 44:7)

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save **his people** from their sins.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, **which is shed for many** for the remission of sins.

Hbr 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should **taste death for every man**.

Truth and properly understood only in the light of Ezek 34:31.

Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Truth for the sheep are God's flock given to the Son.

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and **gave himself for it**;

Truth for the Church is the Israel of God. (Gal 6:16)

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved THE CHURCH, and gave himself for it;

Jhn 10:15 ... I lay down my life for the sheep.

Faithful Remnant wrote:
1 John 2:2 states "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

Do you think this passage has a connection to the sheep in John 10? Maybe? Sheep and other sheep; our sins and the sins of the whole world. Hmm..maybe? Anybody want to comment?

Thinking Christian wrote:
I'm interested in scripture, not TULIP.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate **[to be] conformed to the image of his Son**, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Firstborn here means from the dead... the grave.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, **the firstborn from the dead**; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

For Christ's brethren the Father's plan of predestination to sonship is accomplished in a two stage adoption (Rom 8:5). The first part occurs when the Father quickens a dead heart (Col 2:13) with the Holy Spirit (the downpayment (Eph 1:14)) freely given in mercy upon His calling (1 Tim 1:12-17) with the completion of adoption taking place at the resurrection to glory when the body, the church, is redeemed (Rom 8:23).