John UK wrote: Let's test Moniker Man. Repent - Arminian Believe - Arminian Prevenient Grace - Arminian Seek the Lord - Arminian Be ye holy - Arminian Be ye perfect - Arminian
Brother Saint John Not a bad list at all
here another one
You might be truly elect if by the Sovereign grace and working of God in your life if you have: -Repented -Forgiven others even as God for Christ's sake forgave you -Have so believed on the Lord Jesus Christ He is now and/or growing more and more to be your preeminent love, whom you honor, worship, trust, joyfully serve, obey and cannot keep from telling others of -Where you delight to read/study the Bible; in this hearing His voice and following Him -Are Baptized by Immersion -Delight to be with others who know, love and serve Him too -Where you love your family, your neighbors, strangers and even your enemies and those who hurt you will the love Christ showed you while yet a sinner -Give the enemies of the Cross, the promoters of cursed false gospels and false teachings no place of saftey among you where you will tolerate and cease to expose what is amiss, their apostasy, misleading, where they will not hear the Truth and be urged to repent and get right with God
John UK wrote: Oh, Bro Lurker, I have just thought of something you might be happy with, and which is certainly biblical. Instead of using the term "prevenient grace", how about if we used the expression "prevenient action", to describe the work of God in the heart of the sinner prior to him calling on the name of the Lord and getting saved? Sure, prevenient action got a ring to it. Acts 9:5 would be a typical proofer.
Brother Saint John UK Wales I think "prevenient grace" is Biblical I'll explain
John 1:16,17 16 And of his fulness have all we received, AND GRACE FOR GRACE. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Truly we might define Grace with words such as God's unmerited favor, help, provision for our need at His own expense and will to provide (especially for our salvation)
And notice the Spirit moved John the Apostle to tell us ... grace for grace Imh words here. God Himself giving "prevenient grace", everything necessary that we might receive (remember we are NOT to receive the grace of God in vain) the grace of God .... ultimately to knowing God in the new birth and in knowing Jesus Christ as Lord, in Him to know eternal life.
Cotton Mather wrote: found this Tozer story on the WWW: " I was preparing to go to Nyack College. Before I left there was one burning question I had in mind, and I went to Dr. Tozer and said, Could you give me some advice concerning the problem of Calvinism versus Arminianism? And I ll never forget the advice he gave me. At the time I thought it was rather inconclusive and not too helpful. But I listened carefully. He said, My son, when you get to college you're going to find that all of the boys will be gathered in a room discussing and arguing over Arminianism and Calvinism night after night after night. I ll tell you what to do, Cliff. Go to your room and meet God. At the end of four years you ll be way down the line and they'll still be where they started, because greater minds than yours have wrestled with this problem and have not come up with satisfactory conclusions. Instead, learn to know God. "
ECT. spotter alert wrote: Another opportunity for the happy slappy crowd to all join together and huff and puff at the big bad wolf, and say look,how spiritual we are...till the threat of fines come against their employment......then crickets............
ECT Spotter Thanks for the heads up I checked some of the signers, and it was indeed ecumenical
When will The Church, meaning genuine repentant born again Belivers new creatures in Christ finally learn to get up and wash themselves off from the cess pool of ecumenism, and be holy unto the Lord Jesus Christ who died and rose again for us?
We can be polite to those of different religions in this, they are after all human beings made in the image and likeness of God, we aren't any better than they are, injustice against them is injustice against all human beings that ought to be stopped cold, we ought to care about this because we are commanded to love them and preach the Gospel to them, BUT we simply do not need to fight modern day Sodom by joining together with the unrepentant whore of Babylon who picks and chooses the sins she likes to exploit as causes to prey upon the naive and ignorant
Our cause if you are willing is the Gospel of Christ and the saving of souls
peacemaker I'd be really careful with that Dordt stuff if I were you. It is IMHO where the enormous imbalance of the Sovereignty of God and the Responsibility of man has gotten greatly confused.
for example If one overemphasized "faith" as the gift of God, instead of eternal life being the gift of God (Yes, none can have Biblical faith unless God gives/authors that, so don't think I am saying faith is not a gift)
A distortion can set in with some: 'I believe the TULIP of Dhordt therefore I must be saved, and those who don't believe the TULIP of Dhordt must be lost, damnable hell deserving sinners'
Really? Not if they're saved by God and for God
Biblical Faith has Jesus Christ as its object, foremost love, a real experiencial knowing of Him, not the theological teaching of men (WCF as example), Biblical Saving Faith believing the promises of God results in (hold on tight here) works (of obedience to God, doing the will of God, following Jesus), and both Jesus and James makes this clear
Dhordt sometimes is similar to a "Once saved always saved" go to heaven when I die mentality ('I'm save/elect so don't bother me with obdedience')
NOT a Changed/New Creation life that make ex-sinners holy
Spurgeon touched on very important matter Imho there be two serious ditches involved.
True real genuine honest to "can't say goodness" arminians, imagine sin aint that bad, it is something they can fix up with a little bit of prayer etc. ignoring the fallen lostness of the nature of deliberate depravity they were born with and God owes them nothing
Do nothing hyper-Calvinists err in a horrible different direction, essentially forbiding people (whosoever will) to seek God and cry out to Him for mercy because there is effort involved, which they frightfully confuse and distort with human effort to earn, deserve, merit, make God owe them religious fantasies
Grace is not opposed to effort, in truth grace ought to rightfully motivate great effort, grace is opposed to merit.
Biblical Faith rests on the Promises of God, AND ACTS (humbly acts) UPON THEM ACCORDINGLY; (BTW resulting in doing His will) Trusting in the One who gave them, He didn't lie to them did He!
The Holy Ghost, and godly preachers point sinners to God's word that they might act on it
e.i of effort issue of blood opened the roof wept over His feet have mercy!
Mike wrote: I wonder why the utterings of a racist bigot professor make the news at all.
I don't know exactly but let's think here a little bit God is sovereign in and over all things including the media whether they like it or not So it is to be considered our Father knows these celebrated beloved servants of the god of this world the devil are there to do humanity, especially the child of God no good whatsoever and our Father gives us warning of them
BTW Also of their lawless (no respect for the Consitution) friends or allies in government committed to an ungodly service of sin and evil
Now real genuine warnings will NOT be taken to heart or sounded by hirelings in our pulpits but real genuine modern day "Prophets" will sound a warning of coming evil, call God's people to repentance and fervent pray about it and especially preach of the coming day of the Lord when Jesus Christ comes defeats all enemies and rewards those serving Him who He purchased with His own shed blood
others may go off in other thoughts in these things, and I am likely to grow in mine has God teaches me and I learn better in my faith.
Blessing and victories in your faith to you, Brother Yankee in the wretched ungodly empire state of New York
John UK wrote: Bro Saint Michael, Quite so, quite right! But not the answer I was thinking of. How about this?
Brother Saint John UK Wales You are certainly correct (Biblical and therefore right) that it wrong for women to usurp authority over the man
What I was seeking to address was the deeper issue that we so ought to listen to those men who speak the Truth of God (rightly divide His word) contrasted with those who (ab)use Scripture so that even though they cite Bible verses, adding to them, taking away from them, reading into them (EISEGESIS - human fleshly notions/traditions philosophy) is wrong, sinful, misleading, corrupting, defiling just about however you can describe it
others may word this better Proverbs 22:17-21 instructs us to hear the words of the wise, would that be 1. those who genuinely fear God 2. those who listen to God, who really believe Him and obey Him? 3. those who genuinely repent and are born again of the Holy Spirit a new creature in Christ 4. those who are genuinely holy, separated from sin, false teaching and false teachers 5. those who praying men 6. those who are soul winners (fishers of men) who take the Great Commission seriously 7. those who genuinely hate evil and stand against it
John UK wrote: I'm always right if biblical. You disagree? For eg. Every day, on UK TV, Joyce Meyer struts her stuff and preaches from the word of God. Now I ask you a
question: Is it okay (biblical) for me to sit under HER ministry?
Brother Saint Michael,
Say, if IO fails to answer the above question, maybe you would like to have a crack at it?
Bro St John UK Wales No! It is absolutely NOT Right to sit under the teaching of Joyce Meyer NOT under the teacing of any other false teacher.
Why would I say that, Joyce Meyer and other false teachers (I hate to use the word) "preach" from the Bible, quote Bible verses, carefully pick and choose proof texting (EISEGESIS) their "beliefs"
Christians have an imparitive to "rightly divide the word of Truth" (2 Tim 2:15) with works well with "Take heed that no man deceive you" (Matthew 24:4)
I think you already know Satan knows the Bible and can probably quote it better than CH Spurgeon. But that is the point if Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Rick Warren, Tony Palmer (deceased) or Augustine and his fans does no rightly divide the word of Truth we don't have to listen to them
and we are blessed when we refuse to sit under the cousel of the ungodly (Psalm 1)
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Are you saying we should ask God to give us what we deserve and not that He would be gracious to us and to others?
Unprofitable Servant No!
I am saying we ought to come honestly before God, confess our owns sins, and the sins of our churches and our nation against Him and ask Him for mercy even as the publican did, and even as Moses interceeded for the children of Israel
NOT come like the Pharisee and imagine our righteousness is so good we deserve His blessings, because if we do we deceive ourselves
NOT to malign, blame on the devil, even on human devils, and despise the loving corrective disciple (and warnings too) of the Lord, even if needs be it is extremely sever and painful
1 John 1 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Psalm 67 1 God be merciful to us and bless us, And cause His face to shine upon us, Selah 2 That Your way may be known on earth, Your salvation among all nations.
For the record, I am a Yankee (white) I have relatives (white) who fought against the Confederates (other white people) to see black people freed from slavery
Where is "our reparations?"
Hmmmm, If the black community really really wants to be free and prosperous it looks like what they desperately need to do is "fight against" (I do not mean physical violence) their own black misleadership and reverands, and white liberals as well, in what we might call "racial shariah" who are sabotaging, corrupting, exploiting and enslaving them right now today, and most important they (all of us) need to take God seriously and if they aren't genuinely saved to get saved and live holy and godly in Christ.
Much learning and growing to do for this imperfect white yankee to do
Ah do you really want to come to the end of the road you are walking?
I have to think it is a truly scary thing to watch someone malign repentance and malign calling upon the name of the Lord that He might mercifully save them, and dare to claim the sinner under the conviction and leading of the Word of God and the Spirit of God are somehow ordering God to do anything.
I want to plead with you Life and Death Belong to God Jesus Christ loves righteousness and hates iniquity I think it is safe to say you really don't want to provoke His wrath
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?currsection=sermonstopic&keyword=The+God+of+the+Bible+kills+people]]]The God of the Bible Kills People - Rolfe Barnard[/URL]
John UK wrote: I've yet to meet a HyperCalvinist Antinomian Peacemaker. It seems to me they are all miserable troublemakers just like the Pharisees Jesus had to deal with.
Well, if any do not understand what revival is like, try watching THE REVIVAL HYMN, a compilation of great preachers like Ian Paisley etc, preaching about the revival fires. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERgIOM5Bm2A
Brother Saint John UK Wales Revival Hymn
This is really just a heads up I haven't forgotten the QUESION I P hasn't answered, unless I missed it
Hope to put some Biblical thought together on Joyce Meyer and sitting under her teaching or not. Might be tomorrow before I actually post it.
Frank wrote: Hillary will "likely" be the next president; God help us all
Frank This comment is for pondering/praying it is not against you, but made to you as I have to consider you can appreciate what I am saying
Scripture tells us if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the Truth is not in us
Question: Could the fantasy, the imagination that we think we deserve a better President that Obama, than Hillary be part of the problem with "Evangelicals?"
We act like "we" somehow deserve ease and comfort and even a government that would give us special priviledges, and are upset/jealous the homosexuals, Muslims, and illegal immigrants are getting them, when "we" have not stood up for the Truth, Genuine Biblical Holiness and Separation nor the Great Commission and have even punished/shunned those seeking to do so and those warning of the severe displeasure of God, in OUR, let me stress "our" churches
If judgment begins full blown will it not begin with the churches? Likewise if we are to see REVIVAL/AWAKENING a Mighty Move of the Spirit will it not begin with the genuine God-fearing Children of God and NOT with corrupt, hirelings in Government
Thanks for letting me post all this concern to you
Christopher000 wrote: Good morning, Michael...how did that situation turn out for you? The one where somebody was spreading a lie about you doing something at a rally/picket.
Good Morning Christopher000 Thank you for enhancing the topic of this thread, as there is Imho a cloak of silence Pro-Roman Catholic Ecumenicals would love to throw over us, even to resorting to the labors of the moderators to keep these threads on topic
I would think Francis 1's advisors (aka coconspirators against the Living God) would not want to see Pro-Life Evangelicals rescued from Pro-Catholic Ecumenism on BIBLICAL GROUNDS (If we are Biblical we are Right!) any more than they want the real truth of RC sex scandals coming out to cause people to flee RC Priestcraft
Thank you for asking about the local matter that concerns me and other Pro-Gospel Pro-lifers. It is going slowly and will need much prayer and waiting upon God to see a clean break/separation between those genuinely saved and born again from Pro-Catholic ecumenism because the lie RC are really Christians, because the lie it is wrong to preach the gospel because it is so offensive to deliberately depraved sinners has poisonously metastasized into evangelical thinking here
SteveR wrote: carl is a decent guy that just doesnt want friction on SA However, stopping the wicked from their exhaustive need to slander, hate and bash Apostolic Churches is part of mans sin nature...and will be with us until the Elect are Glorified and those wicked receive their wages
ROTFL 1 minute after I posted there is yours
SteveR You are indeed quite masterful in misleading disinformation
Let's see if we can critique your post a bit
Any true genuinely born again of the Holy Spirit child of God who is growing in their faith will not only love the Lord Jesus Christ for dying for their sin
They will rightfully hate, Yes! I said rightfully hate any false counterfeit of Christianity that preys upon peoeple with any false gospel that misleads them away from the Truth of Jesus Christ and shuts up the kingdom of heaven against them
AND they will do such a thing because they Love God and Love people and desire to see no one perish because they have been bewitched to replace the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ for a lie
such as Mariolatry and the Priestcraft of your RCC friends
QUESTION: Who has so bewitched you to promote as suppposed Christians those deceived in apostate RC teachings and oppose their rescue?
John UK wrote: I'm always right if biblical. You disagree? For eg. Every day, on UK TV, Joyce Meyer struts her stuff and preaches from the word of God. Now I ask you a question: Is it okay (biblical) for me to sit under HER ministry? If you answer correctly, now apply that here. Thank you.
Brother Saint Michael, Blessed is right! And it is thanks to being teachable, that I am now more conformed to the word of God than I was before. Phew! Some folks just don't get it, do they? Thanks bro for sticking up for me. Say, if IO fails to answer the above question, maybe you would like to have a crack at it?
Brother Saint John UK Wales "I am Always Right IF Biblical!"
I love this comment! Jesus told us, "Blessed is the man who hungers and thirsts for righteousness ...." I believe it is safe to mediate on this as being intimately interrelated to 'hungering and thirsting to be Biblical, to rightly divide the word of Truth, that we might walk in a true obedience of faith, sanctifying God as Lord in every part of our lives, and likewise related to 'as newborn babes, desire (from the depths of our heart and being) the sincere milk of the word, that we may grow thereby."