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Survey7/17/08 3:24 AM
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Alan H wrote:
When you say "the Holy Spirit is 'the life of God'" what do you mean? Do you not believe that the Holy Spirit is a distinct person within the Godhead, i.e. the Third Person of the Trinity? I don't want to assume something you never intended simply because I didn't understand what you meant.
Now those are good question Alan H (I'll bet H is not really your last name).

Q 1 - I mean what God means. I am quoting him Ro 8:10. There is much said about the Holy Ghost in the scriptures. He is the person of the Godhead that is said to indwell us as the gift of God see Ro 6:23 when we believe, thus giving us the divine nature, 2 Pe 1:4.

But God is God, a trinity, and though able to be separate functionaly, yet still one (a mystery) because Christ dwells in our hearts Ep 3:17 and God the Father dwells in our hearts 2 Co 6:16 but it is the Holy Ghost, the Sprrit, who dwells there and resides and gives us the life of God. He makes us a new creation 2 Co 5:17 and reconciles us to him v 18. Our individual bodies are his temple 1 Co 6:19, and the church corporately is his eternal temple, Ep 2:21.

Death is the opposite of life and before he quickens us by faith, we are said to be dead Ep 2:1, after, we are alive 1 Co 5:22. Out of room.


Survey7/16/08 10:27 PM
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Survey7/16/08 9:49 PM
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Michael H

Mike just got lumped in with us because most of the guys are new here and any disagrement with tulip is akin to the unpardonable sin.

DOT may be a little different and if he is, this is not a safe place for him. The rest of these guys are hypers, as you already know.

I must say I have never seen this many new guys at the same time. enoughaready, lone wolf, front row, irresistible, german ated, unspeakablejoy, post reader, nickoftime and on and on.

Real bible believers seem to be the only people on here with real names like JD and Michael, and Mike, and Yamil, with real places where they are serving the Lord like Endicot, and Danville, and New York, and Vegas.

Have you ever wondered why almost all these calvinists are ashamed of their real names? I have. Has there ever been a bible believers here that was ashamed to say who he is? Maybe! But I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Is there a message here?

There was one calvinist that used his real name in the early days. His name was Walt from Michigan but the practice did not catch on with them.

Must have something to hide!

{edit} Oh yea, whatshis name from Austrailia? yea, MurrayA. He used his real name also.


Survey7/16/08 8:59 PM
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I too must come to the defense of my friend Mike from New York. I have known him on here for several years now and consider him to be the most gracious poster on here. Several times lately he has been accused of being a dispensationalist and a fundamentalist but he has never said that he was and if I do not know, then I am sure his accusers do not. Of course it does not matter to me one way or the other, dispensationalism is not the test for fellowship, believing God's holy word and approaching it honestly as best we know how is the test and I have always enjoyed his comments, his wisdom, and his wit.

He is also a very good poet!

BTW, does anyone know why my last post was deleted?


Survey7/16/08 9:23 AM
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The Lone Wolf wrote:
JD, do you mind responding to my post.
I am sorry Lone Wolf but anyone who has such a dim view of the Christian faith as is demonstrated in these words of yours don't deserve a response.

Regeneration is the infusion of a new life in the heart and spirit of one who is dead in tresspasses and sin. It results in salvation, not a result of salvation or the same as salvation.

My goal here is to convince you and reason from the Scriptures that Jesus Christ is God, that he came in the flesh, lived a perfect life, and died in our place and whosoever will believe in him, without exception, will receive eternal life. This life is his Spirit that indwells us forever.

By this message I hope to win some of you to Christ. By that I do not mean that I think all of you are lost. Some of you are saved I think, in spite of this confused contorted doctrine, but some, if not most, of you are not if your words mean anything.

I gave a series of verses from epistles that were given by God for the purpose of explaining the Christian faith and you and others respond by simply ignoring them and presenting your theology, trying to make the square peg fit into the round hole.

Salvation is through faith in Christ! It is not infused!


Survey7/16/08 9:01 AM
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Joyunspeakable and DefenderofTruth

First JU,

It is a remarkable thing that you have ignored all the doctrinal statements concerning the indwelling Christ and how believers receive him without so much as a wave of the hand and jump to a passage that is anecdotal and is in NO WAY addressing the INDWELLING HOLY GHOST that could not have taken place in any one UNTIL Jesus Christ had paid the sin debt and the sin washed away by his blood.

The Holy Ghost has a ministry before the cross long before, but including, Elizebeth, Mary, and John the Baptist, but it was not to permanently indwell them and give them life.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

2Co 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

DOT,

Salvation from sin is not a process, it is an event. Seach your heart, friend!


Survey7/16/08 7:31 AM
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God recognizes only two kinds of people in the world today. They are here.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

That is the elect and the non elect!

But, who has life and how did they get it?

Well, in my previous post I proved that the Spirit IS LIFE! Ro 8:10b

But our verse above says that he that hath THE SON hath life. How can this be?

Consider this!
to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; Ep 1:16b and 17a.

And this

Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

So then, Christ dwells in us in the form of his Spirit!

But how and on what basis do we have the Spirit?

Consider this rhetorical question to the Galatians by Paul.

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

And this!

Ga 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The blessing of Abe and the Spirit are one and the same!

I say to you men: BELIEVE!


Survey7/16/08 6:24 AM
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DefenderofTruth wrote:
JD, if you are truly open to understanding God's Word, you will not get hung up on maintaining your position of "which comes first." What matters is that we submit to God's Word.
Are you saying then to the people on this forum that the ordo salutis of calvinism does not matter? Are you saying that my ordo salutis is just as good as theirs?

Hearing
repentance
faith
regeneration

Acts 11:18b Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance UNTO life. Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. Ro 8:10b but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Regeneration is the same as being saved! See above! It is the same as renewing of the Holy Ghost!

Ga 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

The promise IS THE SPIRIT! See Ga 3:14

You said to submit to scripture and my point here is to show you that regeneration is salvation, a result of repentance and faith of the hearer!


Survey7/15/08 11:02 PM
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DefenderofTruth wrote:
My only desire in discussing is that the Truth of the Word be upheld and that God be glorified as He unfolds His Word to us.
Then you should like me because I am calling those who are twisting it.

All who has been chosen from before the foundation of the world and is regenerated without their knowledge and approval and then given faith and repentance without a promise from God that they can rest their eternal soul upon is in danger of not being saved at all. Certainly they cannot know it for sure. Now I hope you are saved in spite of a lack of a testimony of God being in your personal conversion but frankly it would worry me to think about showing up before God without assurance that he has made a personal promise to me that I am saved.

Here is an example of a promise that God cannot go back on.

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I know the time I called upon him for salvation. This is his promise to me. He cannot lie.

Tell me why this does not glorify him.


Survey7/15/08 7:07 PM
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DOT wrote
He drew me, brought me to repentance through the teaching of his word,
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Sounds like you repented before you believed. All I am asking is you get it right. So far, you've been all over the place.

You wrote:
I am a Christian who understands my own depravity - inability to come to God on my own
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If you did not come to God then you are fooling your self. Pious, religious, but saved without coming to God????? Who saved you?
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Delivered

Did you actually read that post?
They wrote
so grieves for and hates his sins as to turn from them all unto God,a purposing and endeavoring to walk with him in all the ways of his commandments.
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This is not describing a grace of God, it is describimg and act of the repenter. I am asking your theology to be consistent. You are a smart man. You know it is not!
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Defender of Truth.

These other calvinists cannot give a verse of Scripture that promises they have been personally elected of God. Considering the treahery and deceitfulness of the human heart and realizing that a subjective experience is not convincing of truth, what would you say is the verse or passage wherby you personally have been elected before the foundation of the earth to be saved and you have no doubt about it?


Survey7/15/08 5:18 PM
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Defender of Truth

Thank you, I will.

But consider this.

I have just been to the sermon archives and reviewed some reformed titles on the subject of repentance. I looked at titles and read comments on the sermons bt Washer, Suskia, and Martim, a reformed Baptist and I think I will listen to this message a little later to see if it aligns with what I am being told here.

Repentance #1: Necessity for Salvation

This is already suspect. It seems to me that it should be "neccessity OF salvation". But I do not know. I will give a review later of what I learn. I will try to take notes.


Survey7/15/08 4:54 PM
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The calvinist who is an arminian too has chosen to avoid the contradiction of the doctrine of repentance taught by the calvinists in their textbooks and there actual speaking about it and lamenting why preachers are not preaching it to sinners and sinners are not doing it, by being silly.

What else can one do? Change the subject?

Defender of Truth wrote

If you were the lone survivor of a fatal plane crash, would you look around at the wreckage and loss of life and declare that you were smart to have chosen the seat you were sitting in, or the position of your body when the accident occurred? If you were like most people, you would wonder "why me?"
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Ec 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race [is] not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
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Sometimes I have this allusion that some calvinists are not as bad as some others.....and then they keep talking!


Survey7/15/08 4:36 PM
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Someone, I can't remember who, quoted Jesus Christ saying "repent, or ye shall all likewise perish". This suggest to me that a perishing man can repent, contrary to what we are being told here by calvinists, and that repenting is actually the condition to keep from perishing.

Maybe there is an English major on here that understands sentence construction and can convince us that repentance is not a condition for being rescued from perishing.


Survey7/15/08 3:45 PM
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From the UK too wrote:
a] Is this not akin to JW teachings?
b] "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us"
I brought up a problem that was presented by those who hold your views on repentance. I quoted some of the things that you said concerning the same subject. Your position does not seem to agree that street preachers and pulpiteers should preach repentance before regeneration and they have receiced the effectual call that is irresistable. You said that repentance was impossible until all this took place. Quote and UK man was having a problem with no repentance being preached to lost men and I know they probably hold to the same position as you on when and how repentance can actually take place.

What I would like for you to do is explain why repentance should be preached to lost people and that we are neglecting our duty if we fail to do it.

I will address your questions later.

This is important and I think someone of you should explain it.


Survey7/15/08 3:07 PM
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Defender of Thruth,

Lets not get silly here.

Lazarus was a justified man before he died. Bringing a dead body back to life is not the type that God has set for a spiritual rebirth. Men who are not dead physically experiences a new birth and never has a physically dead man ever experiencesd a new birth. There is a spiritual application and doctrine to the raising of Lazarus but to teach us of a personal born again experience is not it.

Death in the scriptures is a separation. It does not mean men are incapable of knowing, hearing, feeeling, understanding like a dead carcass. It is absurd to suggest it is.

Men are separated from God by their sin. Jesus Christ dealt with the sin problem by enduring it's penalty in our place. The Holy Spirit, which is the Life of God, now indwells them that believe in Jesus Christ, and we now are no longer separated from God because he lives within us as the third part of our eternal redeemed being. This is what the scriptures teach and this is what our blessed Lord made possible by dying for our awful sins. We are no longer sinners. We are no longer dead. Thank God for Jesus Christ and the cross.


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DefenderofTruth wrote

Michael, When you say "total, absolute unconditional predestination," that misrepresents what the Calvinistic says.

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I don't know what your brand of tulip is but you need to go and learn what these men on this forum teach and then come back and lets talk.

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The Lone Wolf in his last post has totally misrepresented my position on saving faith and our position non calvinists, on how we approach the gospel of Jesus Christ. There is no point in dealing with it because everyone here knows it but none will rebuke him.

UK Too wrote

A sinner cannot repent in the natural state, because he does not know what sin is never mind repentance.

AND

If the Holy Spirit does the work of Faith in the sinner, and He does, then what you preach/teach an unsaved sinner, on the Biblical love of God (or any Truth doctrine) is not going to settle between his ears and convert him anyway.

You obviously did not read the complaint of the man called quote and he that is called UK man. Their camplaint was that street preachers and pulpiteers were not preaching repentance from sin (as if a lost man can repent). I will post their complaint again for you in my next post.

My charge is that tulip'ers cannot converse intelligently within the context of tulip


Survey7/15/08 2:30 PM
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Now, someone please tell me if it is possible for a dead man to repent any more than it is for him to believe? And if you say it isn't then we both know that the process of salvation, that is regeneration, has already taken place in the subjects heart and he can do nothing under the sovereign hand of God but repent and believe. Otherwise, he is contributing to his own regeneration, repentance, belief, and conversion.

The comments and reasoning in the last few posts by the calvinists would surely suggest a very great need for the men in the white jackets if it were any subject under discussion besides religion.

The bottom line here is that we have been told that repentance is the gift of God and it takes place in a practical time environment of God's own choosing and it is after regeneration which makes the contention that the street preachers and the pulpiteers guilty of not preaching a message that will save a very confusing proposition. You cannot have God commanding men to repent after regeneration if he has regenerated them so he can give them repentance. And certainly if this is true the complaint of quote and uk man makes no sense whatsoever.

This question has caused you to go off into philosophy, the logical place for it. Calvinism is not practical!


Survey7/15/08 10:12 AM
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From the UK too

The simple among us do not understand what you just said. Let's try this!

Do you believe repentance is the gift of God and is not the responsibility of the subject hearing the gospel as a condition for regeneration?

Do you think it (repentance {edit}) is possible for someone who is NOT elect before the foundation of the world?

Do you think repentance comes before or after regeneration? Is it a cause or a result of regeneration?


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Contender,

It is God who grants repentance and praise be to God who raises to life those who were once dead in trespasses and sins unto newness of life in the Lord Jesus Christ.
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You have no more followed my complaint than the man in the moon. YOU HAVE JUST MADE MY POINT!

Did you even read the points of the two posters I mentioned? They believe what you just wrote about repentance being the gift of God, yet they say the problem is that the street preachers and the pulpiteers do not present it as a condition for salvation! Gifts by grace are not given on conditions except the giver sets the conditions. Is repentance a condition for regeneration? The two posters say yes in their comments.

The fact is if you were to speak much on the subject you would say it is also. Why? Because the tenets of calvinism is good for debate as long as the practicale applications are not brought to bear on it. The only true calvinists, or those true to calvinism are those we refer to as super hypers who do not believe in sharing the gospel with anyone lest they encroach upon the realm of God's sovereignty.

Now, repentance is not a condition for conversion in calvinism! Get it right please.


Survey7/15/08 9:34 AM
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Ukman wrote:
Since
this is so, the remedy for sin—and with it the necessity for true
repentance and godly sorrow for sin—is not recognized either. If
the pulpit fails to declare it, then it follows that the hearer will
neither acknowledge nor understand the need for repentance.
My head spins!

The argument here has been for unconditional election to salvation as a matter of irresistible grace and then these last two posters are bemoaning the problem that repentance is not being preached as a condition for true salvation.

Now, someone please tell me if it is possible for a dead man to repent any more than it is for him to believe? And if you say it isn't then we both know that the process of salvation, that is regeneration, has already taken place in the subjects heart and he can do nothing under the sovereign hand of God but repent and believe. Otherwise, he is contributing to his own regeneration, repentance, belief, and conversion.

I have told you that calvinists cannot have an intelligent conversation if they are true to what they teach. These last two fellows and DJC49 before them have been very diligent to prove my point.

Now, please, all calvinists. Do not weary us with the responsibility of our own repentance.

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