Mike wrote: Jim for Dave Hunt, if the Bible neither forbids, nor supports, political/social activism, then it is a matter of conscience, just like the eating of meat vs vegetables only. You'll have to decide which is the weaker brother position. In any case it is not yours to criticize the take of those who hold the different view. That is the biblical position. Deal with it.
Hunt might not appreciate his religious freedom as much as he should. Without stating the obvious, Christians in our country have used their gifts for political activism to secure the ability to share the Gospel with limited restraint
btw- Tell Dave I can bring up several instances in the OT where the people have been successful politically. Granted, mostly they are successful in wickedness, but at times the righteous were successful politically
John Yurich USA wrote: It is according to the Epistles of Saint Paul where it states Bishops, Pastors, Elders and Deacons. Why are you so weird? Independent Baptist Churches have ordained clergy and they base their doctrines on the Bible only. So that takes care of your nonsense that ordained clergy are not biblical.
You won that debate, they are so desperate they are talking themselves in circles. Well argued from a Scriptural standpoint John Y
John UK wrote: John, there is only one head of the church - Jesus. We become members of his (one) body at conversion. We are gifted by God as he wills, in order to benefit and bless the rest of the body at assembly meetings. We are to be sensitive to the Spirit at meetings, and be led by him. This is the only way that the head gets his way when his people meet. Clergy and laity are neither terms nor principles found in the new testament.
I think you misunderstood John Y or deliberately avoiding his question. He wasn't talking about removing Jesus as head of the Church. He was more asking about your Church structure. Scripturally sound Churches have Bishops, Pastors, Elders and Deacons per the Epistles of Paul
Connor7 wrote: Steve R wrote, " Please dont condemn yourself any longer, as all 7 churches in Revelations are Churches with Angels assigned to each. 5 of which are incredibly imperfect, and would hardly receive a stamp of approval from the armchair critics of Satan here" "Armchair critics of Satan" the apostle Paul must have been an "Armchair critic of Satan" since he criticized the Corinthians, the Galatians, the Apostle Peter, etc. Of course by "armchair critics of Satan" the implication is that we don't do anything, well, I know of a good number of people on here who have done and are doing great things for God. However it is strange that you, a person who has joked about rape victims, among other vile things, should even criticize us.
I didn't mean "of" in that way. It should be understood as 'belonging to' or doing the work of the Evil one
Wayfarer Pilgrim wrote: Ontario Quebec historically has been a Roman Catholic province . This country has a long history of Catholicism. But, with most catholic based religion tumbles down to secularism. Both forms of government are totalitarian and go about an anti evangelical viewpoint. In Ontario, 7 baptist ministers were imprisoned for preaching the gospel between 1950- 1970. .., the citizens of Ontario were in Vichy France, they'd be putting Jews onto trains.
I'm not sure if you are blaming Catholics, French, Canadians, Vichy or Nazis for the current state of Ontario and this new liberal law. But lets see: Catholics are only 28% of the population of Ontario and were the main force against the Law- So that implication doesn't hold up Canadians fought along side England and the USA against Nazis during WW2- So that doesn't hold up Canadians did however had have diplomatic relations with the Vichy Govt, but so did the USA. Both countries severed them in 1942. A very weak argument at best, intentional deception at worst. If you are upset about that, look at Australia. Australia maintained full relations with Vichy France even after 1942
This law is the result of a liberal government in a liberal Western Country not your imaginary spirits
John UK wrote: "Christians in Egypt have an 'insatible desire' for the Bible..." Wow! What!
Yep Coptic Church bringing fruit and raising up Saints despite the naysayers and terrorists. Personally I think the antiCoptic naysayers are more dangerous that the terrorists. The naysayers might convince people to leave the Church altogether, the terrorists can just attack the flesh
Connor7 wrote: John, I don't know about Luther's stance on the issue but...the Catholic church has evolved...for the worse, it's not the same that it was back in 1517, it has changed greatly. When the pope starts saying that the most evil thing is youth unemployment, and says that Muslims and Catholics worship the same God...you know that something has changed. "If the Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God", then that is the biblical and historical Jesus that the Catholic Church worships as God." Oh for Patrick's sake Patrick, we've gone through this, the number of assumptions and errors of logic are listed below: 1. Assumes that they (the Catholic church) believe it in heart. 2. Assumes that everyone (in the Catholic church) knows it. 3. Assumes that everyone (in the Catholic church) follows it. 4. Assumes that mass isn't blasphemous. 5. Assumes that the statues are not graven images. 6. Assumes that prayers to the saints is not idolatrous (and blasphemous)
I suggest everyone here actually discuss the sermon every Sunday morning after Church instead of Sports or the weather. You will be surprised how much your brethren need your attention
Ignominious Emirakan wrote: Threshold point "assembly"=TRUE church (not perfect) Vs Rev2:9
Please dont condemn yourself any longer, as all 7 churches in Revelations are Churches with Angels assigned to each. 5 of which are incredibly imperfect, and would hardly receive a stamp of approval from the armchair critics of Satan here
THE oldest of the doctrinal standards in the Reformed Church is the Belgic Confession,it agrees with John Y(who in Blessed and has treasure heaped up in heaven).However wicked people will indeed tempt people not to attend church, Some deceive themselves. Others are just plain EVIL
Belgic Confession Ch 28: Since this holy congregation is an assembly of those who are saved, and that out of it there is no salvation, that no person of whatsoever state or condition he may be, ought to withdraw himself, to live in a separate state from it; but that all men are in duty bound to join and unite themselves with it; maintaining the unity of the Church; submitting themselves to the doctrine and discipline thereof; bowing their necks under the yoke of Jesus Christ; and as mutual members of the same body, serving to the edification of the brethren, according to the talents God has given them. And that this may be the more effectually observed, it is the duty of all believers, according to the word of God, to separate themselves from all those who do not belong to the Church, and to join themselves to this congregation, wheresoever God hath established it...Therefore all those, who separate themselves from the same, or do not join themselves to it, act contrary to the ordinance of God.
Ignominious Emirakan wrote: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. Rom13:8 " I paid at the office "
¬†Malachi 3:5 ¬† And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
This is a lawsuit by employees for their promised wages. Employees that are often not Christian. Granted, I cant tell if the employees are being unreasonable or being oppressed by their employer. If the ruling just means that the institutions aren't bound by ERISA requirements, I'm OK with it as long as the institutions don't use this as an excuse to oppress their employees
Gay Allen wrote: it's whats needed to bring in the one world order, they need to destroy our federal reserve, and yes it did occur to me that we were being played again, here's my take on
I think the Federal Reserve has done its job, putting Americans in debt by 20 Trillion dollars. Its an amount that cant be repaid. Last year on SA I said Trump was chosen because he is about the only person that can offer to restructure the debt and keep a straight face telling debt holders they will be repaid. Nobody has more experience going BK than Trump
I think he will offer all the current debt holders a new monetary instrument, something like a zero coupon bond that doesn't mature for 50 years.
I would be happier if Apple repented and changed their logo of a fruit with a bite taken out of it
Genesis 3:6 ¬† And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Connor7 wrote: As far as Jim's statement to protect earth...that is a pagan statement, it's a pagan idea, we are to steward what God has given us, protecting the earth is exactly in line with the Gaia hypothesis... Some proponents of the Gaia hypothesis say that Gaia is not some cuddly, friendly planet, but a planet that will be void of people. I'll give you quotes if you want. As far as pollution in India, I know of...three missionaries to India, and a church in India that is facing persecution, you should be more concerned about the church than pollution, and India kicked out Compassion International, which was saving their citizens, and India has laws against eating the plethora of cows over there.
The law is broken up into two parts: first, our obligations to GOD, and the second our obligations to our Neighbor. If someone legitimately believes their obligation to care for the earth is a duty to their neighbor, I understand. A good example was when Hebrews needed to give their land rest every 7 years. But TODAY I find most down deep don't give a hoot about the environment and have ulterior motives in their pro climate agenda
"A recent¬†study by¬†Vanderbilt University professor Marino Bruce has found that¬†people who attend religious services live longer and are less stressed." ..."For those who did not attend church at all, they were twice as likely to die prematurely than those who did¬† who attended church at some point over the last year," Bruce said.
Wayfarer Pilgrim wrote: Europe was invaded by moors 1600 years ago, but at least knew how to fight to the very end, in the war, Europeans will be bred out of existence.
Actually 1300 years ago, and they were overrun by the non trinitarian Visigoths. It wasn't until Visigoths occupied Southern Europe did Visigoths accept Trinitarian Christianity and discard their heretical form of Christianity. I find this very interesting because Visigoths are the forefathers of the earliest Protestants
Frank wrote: MS, Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. Yes sister, I think your admonition is good and well taken. your thoughts coincide with the above scriptures and thanks for your admonition!
Well Frank, if you wouldn't use Scripture for gotcha moments instead of learning from them, you would know the Womans daughter was healed because of her great faith.
Chapter 15 continues....
Matthew 15:27 ¬† And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
¬†¬†Matthew 15:28 ¬† Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
John Yurich USA wrote: I really do attend River of Life Church on Sunday mornings. And I really was Baptized via immersion(as a public profession of faith that I gave my life to Christ) on Sunday 21 May after worship. And I really do have a good friendship with Pastor Steve of River of Life Church. Pastor Steve probably figures that your question is nonsensical and that is probably why he refuses to answer your question.
I believe you John, and I think your Pastor is a good judge of character and time management. Being a good Pastor is the hardest job, being a poor pastor is the easiest job
You are very Blessed to have a good Pastor, too many have poor ones and leave the Church
Jim Lincoln wrote: I never have been happy seeing International agreements carried out by the executive branch alone. I really never cared that much about the global warming arguments either. It has been plainly seen though that air pollution is a problem. I think the major reason that the Indian and Chinese governments came onboard for this treaty is because of air pollution and not so much global warming. John of UK, your country knows the problems of air pollution and many people died in London with all the coal burning that went on. But, our country was and hopefully still is working on cleaning up coal plants -- something that Obama ignored.
Yea, China cares. They are the biggest force to encourage smoking on the planet. China produces half the worlds cigarettes and has 350 million smokers