jpw wrote:
my question is why anyone would let their daughter be manhandled like that and call it "good" be it either on the wrestling mat or in airport security?

Anathema (Accursed):

No Music wrote:
"SPURGEON "Praise the Lord with the harp. Israel was at school, and used childish things to help her to learn; but in these days when Jesus gives us spiritual food, one can make melody without strings and pipes. We do not need them. They would hinder rather than help our praise. Sing unto him. This is the sweetest and best music. No instrument like the human voice." (Commentary on Psalms 42:4) "David appears to have had a peculiarly tender remembrance of the singing of the pilgrims, and assuredly it is the most delightful part of worship and that which comes nearest to the adoration of heaven. What a degradation to supplant the intelligent song of the whole congregation by the theatrical prettiness of a quartet, bellows, and pipes! We might as well pray by machinery as praise by it."...When asked why, he quoted 1st Corinthians 14:15. "I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the understanding also; I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." He then declared: "I would as soon pray to God with machinery as to sing to God with machinery." (Charles H. Spurgeon)

John UK wrote:
Be my guest bro, there's no copyright on my words, thank God. And know that "revivalists" come in for a lot of stick from their fellow believers who will not accept that "something is wrong" today. Keep it up brother, and may God use your whateveritscalled to stir up the saints to action, namely repentance and faith.

John UK wrote:
Nice one bro.
It is a hard thing to confess on a public forum that I am not as I once was, vibrant, zealous for souls, full of the Holy Ghost, knowing God and his wonderful presence and worshipping from my heart and not my lips only.
But then, I prefer to live honestly, not putting on a mask and pretending all is well, when all is NOT well.
What is needed in the church today?
REVIVAL AND REFORMATION - an outpouring of the Spirit in baptismal proportion upon the church (as Dr Lloyd-Jones said) and a return to debating and finding out the true blueprint for God's church, instead of blindly following the Protestant Reformation as the be-all and end-all of church doctrine and practise.
Ahhhhh....that's better.

John UK wrote:
I reckon that those who would write long lists of do's and don'ts for the Christian to live his life by, are behaving similarly to the pharisees of Jesus's day who also had long lists of extra-biblical commandments, with which they burdened the people (and themselves). I suppose the RCC could be compared to that.
But surely Christianity is reconciliation with God? We are supposed to be living in CONSCIOUS communion with our Saviour. And don't go on at me saying, "Ooer that's a bit mystical, isn't it?"
The point I'm making is that constant communion with Christ will sensitise the conscience and will, to such a degree that no man need tell another what to do, because the Lord himself will soon convict the sensitive conscience of any wrongdoing or doing something not in keeping with God's will.
But today, Christianity is not generally being enacted out! It has become legalistic because very few have this "normal" Christian life. (check out Watchman Nee, Corrie Ten Boom and others like George Mueller of Bristol.)...I wish I was living like they lived.

In somnia wrote:
http://affirmation2010.wordpress.com/articles/
Scan down to 'REVERENCE IN WORSHIP'
Then click on link: 'Contemporary Worship Music'..John Thackway.
Note the last paragraph and the quote from John Knox.
Also go to: Bible League Trust
http://www.bibleleaguetrust.org/church.html
See all the categories at the bottom of page as there are so many excellent articles under those headings, particularly also on that very page "the world in the church"
God's religion is a heart religion and it is interesting that one particular Calvinist rapper was convicted at conversion to give up his "Rap" but was then persuaded to simply Christianise it instead...Now we have charismatic calvinists...I think I see a link
John Knox..is he a fossil or is he correct?
Study: research the history of rock and roll and what the term means. Most Indie stuff comes from an original source.

Conservative wrote:
What a mockery eh revival. "Many will say to me in that day lord lord..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_%28band%29

John UK wrote:
Christianity begins here, as Newton rightly says:
'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears relieved;
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed!
The first thing is "fear". Fear of God, fear of eternal punishment, fear of sinning. And only the Holy Ghost can produce this fear in the heart.
The second thing is having those fears relieved. How? By calling upon the name of the Lord, "God be merciful to me, a sinner..." and trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ as having died for me, in my place, to bear away the wrath of God due unto me because of my sins. And only the Holy Ghost can produce this faith in the heart of the sinner.
Thirdly, grace is acknowledged as very precious, and always will be by the new creature in Christ. And only the Holy Ghost can teach these things to man.
Christianity produces in a man two seemingly opposite characteristics: deep joy, and deep solemnity and seriousness. It is a great privilege to be born again by God's grace.
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Romans 14:17 KJV
Worship needs to reflect these things.

Conservative wrote:
Before I became saved I often listened to Christian rock or rap ( skillet, Toby Mac, red).
In Absolutly NO way did it convict me of my sin! And we want to use it to do out reach! Our message to the world should be REPENT or Suffer eternal fire! Not o hey man come to my church wer we play cool music an we just have a grand time praisin the lord. O an we don't judge so all u pot smokers we welcome you!

John UK wrote:
I used to write like that when under the influence.
Back in the 70's the majority of progresive rock lyrics were drug-inspired. Easy to recognise.
Praie God I got saved!

rhymnrzn2zion wrote:
hey hey man, I for one am set for the equality of the brethren, and am willing to live and die in defense of the Gospel of Christ. But you brothers may carry on blurting out error in the sight of the Living God: I'll be out from hence. Good night. -----