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USER COMMENTS BY “ JOHN UK ”
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News Item8/30/19 8:23 AM
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Christopher000 wrote:
Good morning John,
I'm surprised that, "whoever shall live by the sword, shall die by the sword", along with Christ's response to Peter in Matthew 16:23, "...get thee behind me, Satan...", is being used by yourself and BM as prooftexts against situational self-defense. The context is about defending Christ, and hindering Christ's sacrifice.
Precisely, Christopher, and that is why I argued with QC for using what he did, as a NT example.

Of course, he couldn't find any other NT example because there isn't one, and this example is a case of "clutching at straws", desperately trying to justify transgression by using an incomparable or irrelevant example.


News Item8/30/19 5:16 AM
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Christopher000 wrote:
John UK Wrote:
". It looks as though I am going to have to prove it to you as well as to Mike NY. I will just await his reply, or we will be getting away from it."
Hey John,
I'll be sure to read along if the topic gets taken up...
I've not heard from him yet, Christopher. I hope he is okay. We may need to press on without him. That is, if you are still interested.

News Item8/30/19 5:08 AM
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The Quiet Christian wrote:
1. Best example I can give is Jesus' arrest and Peter's armed response.

2. The NT examples we have reflecting conflict are mostly within Acts. Fleeing is not the only action therein. There are also appeals to the contemporary legal structure by the Apostle Paul, proclaiming his rights as a Roman citizen.

1. Bro, this is no example. Jesus had already said once to Peter, "Get thee behind me, Satan," when Peter suggested he would protect his Master from harm. See Matthew 16:21-23 and Matthew 26:51-52.

2. Yes, most acceptable! Fleeing, or appealing to the local authorities have both got biblical warrant, and enables the one who obeys such to wear the SS badge (sola scriptura). Those without warrant have to wear the IDIMW badge (I did it my way).


News Item8/29/19 7:00 AM
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They can try to condemn whosoever they wish. God doesn't condemn his own people. These folks cannot think straight, nor discern anything spiritually.

God condemning his own people!? Ha!

It is God that justifies!


News Item8/29/19 6:57 AM
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In their favour, at least they are prepared to take a loss, regarding these films.

News Item8/29/19 6:54 AM
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I wonder what advice my friends in America would give to these folks.

News Item8/29/19 6:51 AM
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The Quiet Christian wrote:
1. So it seems, John. They also seem to apply to the current question of armed congregations.
2. When Bloody Graham was chasing Presbyterians across the moors, murdering, raping, and pilaging, it seems to me some of those Presbyterians fought back. Was that a Biblical use of force or outside the scope of Scripture? They were, in fact, actively opposing the direct edicts of the Crown.
1. Well you know what I think about that, QC.

2. Jesus gave some teaching about this, and it involved fleeing not fighting. Maybe you can give me some examples in the NT of Christians fighting with deadly weapons for their survival.


News Item8/28/19 2:30 PM
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The Quiet Christian wrote:
But as promised, here are some verses to uphold the work of the Hong Kong protestors:
A righteous man falling down before the wicked, is like a troubled well and a corrupt spring. - Proverbs 25:26
And from that day half of the young men did the labor, and the other half part of them held the spears, and shields, and bows, and habergeons: and the Rulers stood behind all the house of Judah. They that built on the wall, and they that bare burdens, and they that laded, did the work with one hand, and with the other held the sword. For every one of the builders had his sword girded on his loins, and so built: and he that blew the trumpet, was beside me. - Nehemiah 4:16-18
Then he said to them, But now he that hath a bag, let him take it, and likewise a scrip: and he that hath none, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword. - Luke 22:36
Well, well, QC. Now I seem to have read those verses on these very threads only recently.

News Item8/28/19 2:17 PM
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Christopher000 wrote:
John UK Wrote:
". It looks as though I am going to have to prove it to you as well as to Mike NY. I will just await his reply, or we will be getting away from it."
Hey John,
I'll be sure to read along if the topic gets taken up...
Yes indeed, Christopher. I just want to hear from Mike first, lest I have portrayed his argument incorrectly. He doesn't think Mr Calvin has gotten it right in this instance, maybe in many instances, but I am hoping to avoid those theological terms (like 'ordain') which can cloud up the water, and which is why I used the simple term 'of the Lord' which you didn't accept, preferring 'permitted by the Lord'; however, this is to avoid those bad feelings you get about God while reading the Bible, finding him to be somewhat different from the version you unconsciously had produced in your mind concerning him, something that most do, and which I had done myself, which image quickly had to change upon first reading the scriptures, seeing as it was different from the one I had produced in my mind owing to "the world", which evil force will always try to propagate a God different from what he is. It took conversion and a Bible to counteract that.

News Item8/28/19 2:07 PM
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Frank wrote:
Excellent comment Pilgrim. Yes, our heavenly Father is not subject to mankind or time. A while back I studied a concept called, "middle knowledge" which claims that God does something, but then has to wait to see what happens before He can react.
Thanks for your comment!
I've never heard of this "middle knowledge" Frank. But I know what it sounds like; or rather, I know some people who believe the following.

God decides to save people who are all sinners. He determines to send his Son as the Redeemer of all men. Jesus comes as God incarnate to this world, lives a perfect life, dies a substitutionary death, is raised from dead and ascends into heaven. The gospel of new life in Christ, to be received as a free gift, is preached all over the world. God observes every time this gospel is preached, to note if any respond favourably to the message. If they do, his reaction is to immediately choose them unto salvation, and from that point on he calls them his elect.

Middle knowledge, eh?


News Item8/28/19 1:57 PM
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Frank wrote:
Yes brother, I agree. And I’m sure you are aware that if was a Muslim business owner that refused, nothing would be said.
Bro, here is the research for someone: go down to the Muslim print shop and ask for a T shirt with the words:

God's Final Word to Mankind
Christ his Redeeming Son
Hebrews 1:1-3

See what they say.


News Item8/28/19 7:26 AM
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Christopher000 wrote:
John UK Wrote:
"Death is sweet. I am ready."
I'm not. People often comment that their hope is for The Lord to come quickly. I'm guessing this won't go over all that well, but my hope is the He continues on in His patience, and tarries.
The way I see it is that the longer He tarries, 1) the more people are saved, and, 2) this may seem a bit selfish, but I want as much more time as possible to do all that I can possibly do, for Him, and to also grow and improve.
Actually Christopher,

1. If God wants to save more people, he will do. He is not caught out by a return of his Son to earth. He is the one planning it!

2. It sounds commendable, but the better route is one where we can say, "I delight to do thy will, O my God." The will of God for both John Baptist and his own Son was for them both to die in their 30's.
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Sister B, it is no problem for sufferers to say not only, "I am ready to die (being redeemed)" but also, "Heaven is far better than this evil world, and besides, death removes this awful remnant of the sinful nature which lurks within me."

However, while there is work to do for HIM, in the will of God, I shall remain alive according to HIS will not mine.


News Item8/28/19 7:18 AM
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Good morning Christopher,

And thanks for your post.

No, I mean "of the Lord", not "permitted by the Lord".

If you want to serve the God of the Bible, you have to see what the Bible teaches about events and God's hand in them.

It looks as though I am going to have to prove it to you as well as to Mike NY. I will just await his reply, or we will be getting away from it.


News Item8/28/19 4:50 AM
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Death is sweet. I am ready.

News Item8/28/19 4:47 AM
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Oh boy!

News Item8/28/19 4:45 AM
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What a shame that a supreme court should be clogged up with unnecessary cases like this.

News Item8/28/19 4:43 AM
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Sounds like a real nice ending to a horrific story.

News Item8/28/19 4:39 AM
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Mike wrote:
But either God ordained the prevention, or he did not. If he did, why the fuss? If he did not, why the thought that God ordains everything that comes to pass?
Bro, there is no doubt in my mind, and I will prove this conclusively later on, that every single event, whether we call it evil or good, is ultimately "of the Lord".

Now your argument is, that IF this is true, THEN God was the ultimate cause of the prevention of the committing of a crime, let us say, the killing by a gunman during a church service of several members of the church. Therefore, IF that is the case, THEN it must be that arming members of the church and training them in killing a shooter coming in the church building, is perfectly justifiable and there is no sin involved except in the gunman.

Now Mike,

1. Have I portrayed your argument correctly, in every detail?

2. Do you yourself believe your argument, or are you arguing against Calvin's quote?

3. Are you saying that there would be no spiritual or mental consequence for the man or woman who fired the bullet which killed the gunman?

Thanks bro.


News Item8/27/19 10:08 AM
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Bro US, thank you for your post, and I will try to answer. Note, an actual example:

"Mike, my own opinion on this dilemma is that in order to argue with Adriel from his own theological position, you obviously would have to understand his theological position, or you will end up arguing a strawman to no avail."

Is this what you mean? If not, I will inevitably end up building mine own strawman. The onus is on you to be clear and concise in what you are saying. Is this example suitable? If so, I will use it to show you exactly what I'm saying, and why Mike was building a strawman to knock down again. It's up to you bro. If it is not suitable, please give me one example which is suitable and we can look at it and dissect it. Thanks.


News Item8/27/19 8:27 AM
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B. McCausland wrote:
In Ulster at least, people have a vague idea of who are we talking about when using the terms 'Bible believing born again Christian'...
Yes the problem is that simplicity in Christ is being replaced by complexity in Christ. Some Christians describe themselves as "Baptist (1644 rather than the 1689 Confession), creationist, non-charismatic, non-ecumenical, cessationist, evangelical and born again Bible believer, premillennialist (of the Spurgeon type, that is, unsure, but still holding loosely to it in case I am wrong), Psalms Only in Sunday morning worship, but Hymns in the Evening Gospel service so that we can sing Bringing In The Sheaves and What a Friend We Have in Jesus, multiple elders but no cardinals, one pastor at a time, no women preachers or church officers, no collections but offertory box at the rear of the sanctuary as per biblical warrant (from the Temple), all sermons to be 30-45 minutes long, no cushions in the pews lest people fall asleep, women not to pray in the prayer meeting, and all men must stand up to pray!"

And if I can't find a church which ticks all those boxes, I WON'T GO TO CHURCH!

This isn't Bible Christianity.

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