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Survey7/19/08 9:27 AM
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The issue is not "can you read", but the issue is "will you believe".

With all due respect to MurrayA who seems to delight in throwing out Hebrew and Greek phases and seemingly demands (At least to me) we acknowledge his superiority in the Christian faith because of it, I would remind everyone that it has not helped some to believe a clear and unambigious revelation and prohecy of God in Ze 14 which says Jesus Christ will come back to the Mt of Olives, will conquer his enemies, set up his throne in Jersusalem and rule the world from there and require the nations of the world to observe the feasts of tabernacles.

Any scholarship that does not promote simple faith in the words of God should be avoided at all cost and any scholar that would discredit the word of God should be marked.

That would, of course, include myself!

Is there anyone out there that uses the modern versions that would say they believe also what is plainly said in Zecariah 14?


Survey7/19/08 8:32 AM
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John 17 is the prayer of Jesus Christ after the Lord's supper and before his arrest in the garden. His work was finished at this point and he would be leaving his disciples through death. His instruction to them was finished also and they would soon be facing the greatest challenge of their lives. But they were chosen for a specific mission and so the Lord prayed for them that they would be kept in the world, in spite of the worlds hatred for them because of their relationship with him.

This prayer has a historical context.

Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

This is the disciples.

Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Next: The world in this chapter cannot be the elect.


Survey7/19/08 8:01 AM
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Here is proof that the miracles that Jesus was sent to do in his Father's name indeed glorified the Father:
(A few of many excerpts)

Mt 15:31 Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.

Mr 2:12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.

Lu 5:26 And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.

Lu 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.

Lu 17:15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,

It is imprortant to see these things because Jesus had an "earthly" ministry to the nation of Israel, who required signs, 1 Co 1:22, and he accomplished them in the world.

Joh 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

This is the apostles. he sent them in Mt 10. Apostles means "ones sent forth with orders".

Proof next post!


Survey7/19/08 7:33 AM
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Continuing

Having established that the finished work of our Lord was his glorifying the Father through the miracles he performed for a testimony for those to whom he was sent, that he is Christ, we can now compare V 5,6 with V 4 and derermine that earth in v 4 is synomomous with world in v 5 & 6.

I have glorified thee on the EARTH: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

The earth is where he did the Father's miracles.

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

This prayer is for the glory that was existent in the eternal past before his emptying himself as per Ph 2:5-11.
This prayer would be answered at the resurrection when he would be glorified with the Father's own person, the Holy Spirit, read Ro 1:3 & 4 here, and then go back (out of the world) to the Father.

Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus;....

15....whom God hath raised from the dead;

In my next post I will offer irrefutable evidence that the miracles Jesus performed on the earth, in the world, where he was sent, indeed glorified God and that the word world means the same as earth and never means elect.


Survey7/19/08 6:19 AM
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Jn 17

Here is a plain statement our Lord said about himself:

Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

The work in context is the miracles that he performed in the name of the Father. His miracles are all finished. (I have finished the work).

Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than [that] of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.

Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father [is] in me, and I in him.

Joh 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

Keep these things in mind as we look at Jn 17 and determine the meaning of the word "world".

Joh 6:29b This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
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Survey7/18/08 9:51 PM
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Survey7/18/08 9:20 PM
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The high Priestly prayer of Jesus Christ is a place where calvinist should fear to tread because if any passage in all the bible exposes them for total inability in understanding, this is it.

It is already evident that Mike knows that Jesus is beginning to pray specifically for the apostles whom he has chosen.

Now, I feel as if I am wasting my time because all these calvinists that are here now are green horns in their own system and cannot even make sense from their most common proof texts. I know I will probably get edited for saying the truth but it is a fact.

It is the big boys that we need here now, the ministers and such that can make a case for their doctrines. So I think I will hold off for a while and see if anyone with credentials shows up.

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The "problem" you are having, JD, with the word *world*

I am not having a problem, I presented a problem. The world in God 3:16 is in the same context as the passage I quoted in Jn 17.

Here, let me help you see that a little bit!

7 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Any non calvinist English major will tell you that the world all 3 times means, er, uh, well,...world.

It does not mean elect in either passage!


Survey7/18/08 3:12 PM
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I have an on topic question for any calvinist here, and I do not wish to be ignored.

Now, listen carefully:

God said he so Loved the world that he sent his only begotten son (into the world) that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved

Jesus said I came not to judge (As in condemn) the world, but to save the world.

Jesus prayed to the Father in Jn 17

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. (to the world = earth)

Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Okay, now the question.

If the word world in Jn 3:16 means "elect", why does Jesus say he is not praying for the elect in Jn 17:9?

And why is he still concerned that the world might believe in Jn 17:21?


Survey7/18/08 2:19 PM
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DJC49 wrote:
My, my, my ...
Throw this particular survey question into the garbage pail! It hasn't been "on topic" in the last few days and has degenerated into nothing more than an online food-fight.
Actually, I have been on topic and I have posted a substantive argument between myself and Alan H. I made the point that the cross of Jesus Christ demonstarted the love of God in John 3:16 for the whole world more than anything else and lest you think that Jesus Christ was unsure of his mission, he said this: And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Now you have judged them as unelect and unredeemable, except for a few. (The word that I speak will judge you in the last day, our Lord said).


Survey7/18/08 1:03 PM
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Btw JD & Mike I never read of you rebuking Yamil for stealing other peoples monikers and making them say things they didn’t say! Nor for his multiple monikers!
Do you really think Yamil was attempting to cloak his identity if you so easily knew who it was doing those things? Do you think he was an idiot?
Now, please tell me who tug of war and all his other monikers is, and if you cannot, tell me how it is the same thing?

Survey7/18/08 12:05 PM
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Tug of war wrote:
That doesn't excuse 'ugly' posts but it is interesting how many sincere calvinists have departed this forum whilst the likes of JD remain to stir things up-note his comments to you!
God be with you as you seek to honour Christ in all things.
Well, you have certainly shown me the error of my ways. I could have posted with a different moniker everytime and you would have not known who was posting. I don't know who you are but I bet you have not been tug of war in many of your posts.

There is something sinister about that, if you ask me!


Survey7/18/08 10:26 AM
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DefenderofTruth wrote:
Are you all seminary students sharpening your skills at "defending your faith?" Or, are you just malicious?
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, finally, someone who has these guys figured out! I love it!

Survey7/18/08 10:08 AM
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MurrayA,

You are talking about religion and the rest of us are talking about truth.

Try to keep up!


Survey7/18/08 10:01 AM
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Well, Aidan, I doubt that you are as ill informed as you are letting on but I will direct you to a quick study on the web.

http://www.wayoflife.org/articles/modern.htm

You have an illustration first hand of what those who consider themselves scholars in the post by MurrayA. Any question of his opinions by someone such as myself is a personal insult to him, as you can see.

This is the attitude of the Nicolaitanes who would divide the brotherhood and disagreements would be only among the clergy and they would work out the differences and then write confessions, and cathechisms and such for the serfs like myself, who doesn't really have the sense to get out of the rain, if the truth were known. A good majority of MurrayA's comments to me have been an attempt to inform others here of how out of touch and ignorant and ill informed I am.

However, A born again Christian, with an often read KJV bible is not ill informed about the mind of God.

MurrayA is typical of those with the clergy-laity mentality and reading him makes it easier to understand the RC priesthood and the attitudes that led to the dark ages and the inquisition. At least it does for me.


Survey7/18/08 8:21 AM
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But I've always wondered why the die-hard advocates of KJV-alone take the position they do.

I think I can answer that Aidan.

It is because in 1500 years from now there will be as few or fewer scholars who will be able to read the so called original manuscripts and there will still be a controversy over which family is actually the word of God. Those scholars will be as MurrayA who takes an allegorical view to the prophetic word of scripture and when they translate into the common language, their biases will be very prominentt in their translations. This is already evident in the translation at present. If one compares the NIV and KJV, one will note that whole passages as well as verses and words are absent in the NIV. This is a bias because there are two sets of manuscripts and the NIV translators chose a different one than the KJV translators.

Translation of the scriptures cannot be turned over to men when God is not involved. There is a real devil who can translate also.

The priesthood has dominated the laity through the ages because they alone have the ability to interpret the scriptures. This is the attitude of those who have no common bible that is the authority from heaven.

I am not asking MurrayA what God means by what he says because he knows Greek & Hebrew


Survey7/18/08 7:57 AM
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I really don't know who "church fathers" would be. Whoever formulated this question should have named a few as examples. There are no "fathers" of the Christian faith mentioned in the NT that I am aware of. If this person had the reformation "fathers" in mind, I would remind them that the Christian church was in existence already for 1500 years before that and they could in no sense be considered fathers of the church. Also, it would be blasphemous for them to be considered fathers by others or to consider themselves fathers.

It is interesting that Paul had individual conversions in mind when he said the following and not the institution.

1Co 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

This is an incredible statement!

Even thogh Paul said here that he had brought them to life through the gospel and in that sense he was their father, he is not known as a church father. He is known by many titles, but church father is not one of them.

Eph 3:21 Unto him [be] glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.


Survey7/18/08 5:49 AM
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How do you come up with JD?
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Alan H,

This is really the initals of my name and is how I am addressed day to day.
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Did you ever notice how often the trinity is mentioned in the NT, either in a single verse or a short passage or doctrine.

A JW asked me once who raised Jesus Christ from the dead. My answer was the trinity raised him from the dead.

Jesus raised himself - Destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up.

God the Father - Ga 1:1

The Holy Spirit - Ro 8:11

Ro 1:4 is an example of the trinity in one verse, Ep 4:4-6, a short passage.

The trinity is everywhere in the Scriptures EXCEPT on the cross where Jesus Christ, the son of God, paid our sin debt alone. This is where the love of God for the world was on full display and the intensity of that love was realized.

Death is separation from God and Jesus cried upon that cross as the world turned dark. "My God, My God, why hath thou forsaken me?" Peter said this about it, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree," The next phrase gives the reason, "that we, being dead to sins". Death is separation and his death separated us from our sins.

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

To all!

Trust him today.


Survey7/17/08 9:46 PM
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DefenderofTruth wrote:
So, why did JD post 3 consecutive posts this morning. How did that happen?
You may comment as many times as you like as long as you wait at least one hour between posts. That is what I did. I was not finished but I had to leave.

Usually when I take the time to present a scriptural case that cannot be refuted everyone just ignores it and later they will post the same ole tired errors as if they had never read my convincing argument. Just wait, someone will post sooner or later that one must be regenerated so they can believe. The calvinists commentators never learn.

BTW, I have told you that all the calvinists on here are hypers and if you are not, this place is not safe for you. The only calvinists that are treated good are the ones who toe the mark and subscribe to the collective mindset. If, for instance, you will not defend total depravity or original sin or the sovereignty of God as being true as laid out in the cathechisms, the confessions, the counsel of dorht, you will be ostricized. I've seen it before. These works are the real authority of these calvinists here whether they will admit it or not.

They do not even believe that God SO loves sinners that he sent his son to die for them.


Survey7/17/08 8:08 AM
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Continuing to Alan H, (Oh, BTW, Hi mrs. H)

Now we have an anecdotal passage that illustrates the great doctrine of the indwelling Holy Spirit and when and on what basis he indwells the believer in Jesus Christ, his death, burial, and resurrection, the gospel.

Ac 10:43 To him (Jesus Christ) give all the prophets witness, that THROUGH HIS NAME whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Ac 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we

In Acts 10 it is said they received the Holy Ghost but in chap 11 it is said

Ac 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received THE WORD OF GOD.

Cornelius was told words would save him!

Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

So, the Holy Spirit received into the heart by faith in the words of Peter equated to salvation. Out of ro


Survey7/17/08 6:55 AM
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Continuing to Alan H,

The Scripture says that we have life when we believe in Christ. But what is life?

Again, we have the trinitarian image presented to us.

God is life - 4:18
Jesus Christ is Life - 1 Jn 5:11
The Spirit is Life - Ro 8:10

So then, God has given us his son and says he that hath the son hath life because the life is in his son. But the son is a fleshly man and how does the son abide in our hearts?

1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, BECAUSE HE HATH GIVEN US HIS SPIRIT.

How does God dwell in our hearts then?

1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, WHO HATH ALSO GIVEN UNTO US HIS HOLY SPIRIT.

God is a trinity and if the Holy Spirit dwells in our heart then God the Father dwells there and the Son of God dwells there because God is ONE but it is the distict ministry of the third person of the trinity to dwell there. This is what the bible teaches and I do not have to fully understand it to believe it.

Now, he enters into a person WHEN they believe and gives life because he is life. He is God. Now, the believer in Christ has been reconciled to God and has the ability and privilege to enter boldly into the very presence of God the Father. Out of room.

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