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Survey2/23/09 4:12 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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John UK wrote:
Joe, a 'just man' has imputed righteousness, which leads to righteous living.

#2 The ministry of Peter to him was for the purpose that he and his house should be SAVED.

Joe, a 'just man' has imputed righteousness, which leads to righteous living. No imputed riteousness is limited to justifcation apart from works. Infused righteousness (or sanctification) leads to righteous living!

#2 Are you implying that Cornelius's HOUSEHOLD was saved when Cornelius believed? Was Cornelius's HOUSEHOLD (children and all) imputed righteousness because Cornelius believed?


Survey2/23/09 3:21 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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John UK wrote:
If a person does not believe in Jesus, they will remain in darkness, but if they believe in Jesus, they will not remain in darkness. Cornelius was still in darkness, as is evident.
If Cornelius was not saved or regenerated until after he was preached the gospel, what about Simeon and John the Baptist. How were they saved? When were they saved if they were saved? Were they regenerated? Were they indwelt with the Holy Spirit?

Survey2/23/09 10:20 AM
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John UK wrote:
And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Modern day theoogy holds to a gnostic application to the work of the Holy Spirit. John, I suggest that you do a instensive study of the work of the Holy Spirit in the O.T. and to all of it's links and fulfillments in the O.T. Get your Strongs concordance out and look up every scripture referrence to the word Spirit. You will find many referrences to the Spirit coming upon and being poured out.

Salvation was prophesied to be poured out and upon the elect. We find the fulfillment in Acts, of the Spirit being poured out and upon. That is salvation. As for the indwelling of the Spirit, that is in regards to "the presence of Christ" In the O.T. the presence of God was to be found at eh mercy seat in the tabernacle and the temple. Now the mercy seat is in heaven. So how does God dwell in our presence now? He dwells in our temple via the Holy Spirit.

Do not confuse indwelling of the Holy Spirit with salvation. One must have his heart washed clean and regenerated before Christ can reside there, in the person of the Holy Spirit.

Cornelius was regenerate before he heard the Gospel, that is why he accepted it.


Survey2/20/09 3:48 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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DJC49 wrote:
And what of Paul's joining in on "keeping the Law" in Acts 21:24,26?
Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality." Then Paul took the men, and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the expiration..

Survey2/20/09 2:19 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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John UK wrote:
The apostle Paul had no such hypocrisy, and he is the perfect example of how God's Spirit can transform a man, making him holy by faith (justified) and holy by nature, because of the indwelling Spirit of God.
1 Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

I am chief! The verb is in the present indicative, just as are all the verbs in Romans 7 14-25 "But I AM carnal...O wretched man that I AM! Who will deliver me from this body of death? O wretched man that I AM!...I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!

2 Cor 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. And He said to me, "My GRACE is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather BOAST in my INFIRMATIES, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

So you are boasting about Paul's spiritual walk, while God has sent a messenger or Satan to buffet him so there is no boasting.


Survey2/20/09 12:55 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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John UK wrote:
Quite agree. And I would also add this:
Peter's self-confidence was manifest before he was baptised with the Spirit, so for one who had not yet received the Spirit, he showed remarkable bravery.
Remarkable indeed

Gal 2:11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, FEARING those who were of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews also played the HYPOCRITE with HIM, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?

Why does man always try to impute some type of enabled righteousness into the nature of man?

You guys are fixated on the works of man, even after he receives the Spirit.

However, the Book is always focused on the works of the redeemer.


Survey2/20/09 10:37 AM
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Candle lit wrote:
"Will you leave also?" to which the response was, "Lord where would we go?" "You have the keys to eternal life."
Wasn't their response of exasperation in relation to the unpalletable truths about the inablility of man coming to Christ that our Lord just expressed?

John 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father." From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more.

And as for going with you wherever you go regardless of the persecution. That was Peter's mantra. And what became of this haughty attitude of mans ability to follow Christ into all persecution?

John 13:37 Peter says: "I will lay down my life for Your sake." Jesus answered him, "Will you lay down your life for my sake? Most assuredly, I say to you, the rooster shall not crow till you have denied Me three times.


Survey2/19/09 5:54 PM
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John UK wrote:
I can't believe that, Roger.
Besides, there are those who address the Lord in most reverent terms, yet disobey him.
And there are those who address him as Jesus, who obey him implicitly.
Of course there are those who address him as Jesus who are not even converted.
And there are those who address him reverently who actually do obey him as Lord.
I watched a documentary on the Amish of Pennsylvania last night. It was very instructive as to how they live in darkness with very strict rules like how you hold your trousers (pants) up using suspenders, or painting your buggy a certain shade of grey. Do it wrong and you get shunned, even excommunicated.
It was nice to see interviews with two of the company who had got a hold of an English Bible, had read it, and believed it (as opposed to the Amish rules) and seemingly were soundly converted. Oh the joy and peace in the faces of these men, as they were set free from rules, regulations and legalism, to serve the living Jesus, their Lord and Saviour.
Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.
I meant that everyone in the 4 gospels who were eventually saved refered to Jesus as Lord or Master. The only ones that referred to him as Jesus, were the lost.

Survey2/19/09 4:07 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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Mike wrote:
I've seen 2 answers so far to the question I asked back then: Was the rich young man one of the elect? (Matthew 19:16-24)
Both answers were no. Anyone else have thoughts on it?
I believe that he wasn't, or that he wasn't at the time. Not because he turned away at the end, but because of Him addressing Jesus as "good teacher". All those who are quicked address Jesus as Lord or Master.

Only the Holy Spirit, whom is of the same essence as Christ addresses our Lord as Jesus apart from unbelievers.

A good work on this can be found if you scroll down to the 15th paragraph

[URL=http://www.godrules.net/library/pink/NEWpink_b19.htm]]]Master and Lord[/URL]


Survey2/19/09 3:48 PM
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Mike wrote:
Can a man who has no moral ability be considered a moral being?
Of course he is a moral being. He has the moral ability to choose between doing things that result in good, and things that result in evil. But concerning saving faith in Christ, no, he does not have the moral ability to place his faith upon Him. The faith that unregenerate man excercises is in his own works. All the work that unregenerate man has the ability to perform is to leverage God's will to accept him. It is out of a motive to merit acceptance of himself by his own means, or a motive to avoid guilt and/orpunishment. Both motives are selfish. Man attempts to atone for his own sin and avoid punishment by his own genuine acts of repentence, not based upon God's genuine act of perfect atonement, that is offered freely as a gift.

God has to change mans moral ability to accept the harsh circumstances of inability to atone for his own sin. God has to show man that he is totally unable to please God by anything that he is doing.

Just like the mariners who refused to throw Jonah over the side of the boat, man will row even harder to bring it to land. So man, must throw Christ overboard to appease God's wrath. man must let Christ do the work!


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kenny wrote:
If I had to sit and listen to Robert Schuller lisp through a sermon I would want to shoot myself, too.
"Church greeter Yvette Manson was conducting a tour with six guests from Canada. She was just telling the guest about the church’s around-the-clock suicide prevention services, Manson said, when she heard the loud pop.

Manson had her back to the cross and told the guests, “Oh, guess what? One of our windows blew out.”

But the tourists, who were facing the cross, informed her that the man had just shot himself, she said."

I see their suicide prevention services are just about as effective as their gospel preaching, if that is what if can be called!


Survey2/19/09 10:26 AM
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John UK wrote:
DJC49, if you are saying that there is 'saving faith' and also a 'non-saving faith' then would the non-saving faith be a gift from God?
I'm still pondering about the centurion. If he was exercising true saving faith in Christ and his ability, then what was it that made this so great, even greater than the faith of Jews, to whom Jesus was sent?
These discussions about saving faith, whether man has the ability to have faith, whether it is a gift from God, or he has the faculty within himself to have faith does not consider what the object of that faith is.

Man does have the ability to trust in things such as science, people, history and god. But man does not have the moral ability to place trust in the objective person and work of Christ. Man does have the capacity to trust in a god, and his own acts of piety and repentence, but that is not saving faith. The moral ability (and or will) of man to place trust in the person of Christ as his substitute, and upon the finished work on the cross, and trust in His promise to raise us from the grave is a gift from God.

This moral ablility itself is a resurrection from death.

"For as the Father raiseth up the dead and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom He will"


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Barry from Ky. wrote:
John Y, Just a quick question. Why do you think Jesus got baptisted by John the Baptist. And, why did God in Heaven decide at that very moment in time to recognize His Son on earth. Anyone please feel free to give me their answer. Thanks.
John's baptism was symbolic of the baptism of repentence, not of regeneration as is the baptism in the book of Acts.

But you will say Christ did not need to repent. That is correct, but, He needed to be identified with those whom needed to repent in order to "fulfil all righteousness". This was characterised with Jesus identiying himself as the bronze snake on Moses's pole in Numbers 21:4-9. Christ being identified with the serpent who would bear the curse for us. Christ is identified with sinful man in the baptism of repentence. Those who were placed "in Christ" by God the Father are united with Christ at the beginning of His ministry, His life of active and passive obedience. Therefore, those who are identified "in Christ" receive the merits of His obedience and death. And then the baptism in the N.T. is our confession of being identified with Christ in His death and the reception of His gifts.


Survey2/12/09 1:51 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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In regards to the usages of all, everyone, every man, we can use the following analogy.

On Sunday morning I was teaching Sunday school before the worship service. Suppose I said, I have brought coffee and donuts for everyone. Then I said that I wanted every man to clean up after himself. And then I noticed that no one could eat the horseradish flavoured donuts. And then I said, whosover will could take the horseradish flavoured donuts home for their kids.

We know this. I have not brought coffee and donuts for every single person living in the world. We know that I did not expect every man in the world to clean up after eating their donuts. People still had the ability to eat the horseradish flavoure donuts, but no one was willing, because they don't like horseradish. And we know that no one took the horseradish flavoured donuts home for their children.

The epistles are addressed to believers. A specific group of people. Whenever these passages for "all, everyone, every man" are used in Scripture it is specific to a certain group of people. "To the Saints in Rome" etc.

So when I tell my Sunday school class that Christ died for all of "us", it is in confidence that "all" who are in the class, are the elect.


Survey2/12/09 11:50 AM
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DJC49 wrote:
Now when exactly is a man given this ability to come?
From what I understand you saying, man can NOT come; however, there arrives a point in time when he CAN come. When and how does this happen? And to WHOM does is happen? Whosoever?
And if whosoever=all, then with Mike's logic that must mean that all come then?

Luke 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God...21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened.

Matt 3:5 Then went out to him Jersalem, and all of Judea, and all the region around about Jordan. And were baptized of him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.

Now did all flesh see the salvation of God, even the american indians in 33 AD?

Now did all the Saducees, Pharisees, Herod and the Romans come down to the Jordan to be baptized by John?

Now if all means all, then all means all.


Survey2/12/09 11:20 AM
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Mike wrote:
"Can" implies ability. Now man *can* come.
"Can implies ability"

Now there are those that accuse Reformed folk for building their theology based upon logic, not Scripture.

The idea that "Can implies ability" is the logic that the free willie's rely upon to build their entire systematic framework of theology. But the only place in the Scriptures that support a "prevenient grace" (grace that preceeds to every man) is Genesis 6:3 "And the Lord said, My Spirit whall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh;"

Here you see, this prevenient grace shall not always strive with man. After this time, effectual grace is neccessary to bring man into a reconciled relationsip with God. Even with prevenient grace, man did not respond.


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Sacha Liszt wrote:
I am a Socialist and sadly you're mistaken.
I think that the concept of socialism and communism is a laudable idea, if:

Those who agree the the principals of socialism share each others wealth equally amongst themselves.

Those who agree to commune together in a community and share the fruit of each ones labours and burdens equally amongst themselves.

Take note here though! I wrote, To Those who agree. That is 100% of all those who AGREE! If some other people want to share each one's wealth and burdens, good for them. But if they want to share other peoples wealth against their will, well then, that is THEFT!

And it is not a laudable virture to want to reallocate to one poor soul, the fruit of someone else's labour. This as well, is THEFT!


Survey2/11/09 5:25 PM
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Calvinist Understanding wrote:
Roge
I made one post on the 2/2/09 and it had nothing to do with the subject of faith being a gift!
Do you just enjoy making it all up?
Rather than refer me to a post, quote my words where I said that man can believe without help from the Holy Spirit. What I have been arguing against is that faith is a new faculty, or a new ability that man did not possess before. I have never disputed that the direction of this ability is changed by the Holy Spirit in conversion so that it can be directed towards God.
Point taken CU, I apologize profusely. I have gone back and checked your posts and I have misquoted and misunderstood your post.

I ask for your foregiveness


Survey2/11/09 3:29 PM
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John UK wrote:
To differentiate between God and other spirits, I can call him the Great Spirit, as opposed to lesser spirits.

God the Father = Spirit
God the Son = Spirit/Spiritual Flesh
God the Holy Ghost = Spirit
When we are saved, we become one spirit with Christ, hence Paul's exhortation never to fornicate.

I don't need a lesson in theology proper. But I trust the arguments and the capacity of those whom have gone before us that have debated these great truths. As for you...you appear to be starting from scratch yourself penning your own terminology and names for God.

"I can call him the Great Spirit?"

Is that the name that He has given us to describe Him? I believe He uses the name "Holy Spirit" which is not greater than the lesser spirits. It is totally unlike any other spririt. Totally uncommon.

"God the Son=Spirit/Spiritural Flesh?"

Making things up as we go along again here?

When we ignore the history of others, we will repeat the same errors that they have made.

The Church's abandonment of the confessional creeds brings us to this type of anarchy induced confusion.


Survey2/11/09 2:31 PM
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John UK wrote:
When the great Spirit who is Jehovah was manifest upon earth in the flesh, he, the great Spirit, took to himself the human flesh, thereby becoming both God and Man. Incomprehensibly made man, but both fully God and fully man. This is a most wonderful mystery which I celebrate always. The Lord Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh.
You have a remarkable gift of being able to obscufate the clear teachings and doctrines of the Bible. Did you grow up in the RCC or are you a member of the Emergent church?

Great Spirit? Have you seen this great spirit? Have you been smoking peyote or something?

Are you talking about the Holy Spirit? Or are you taling about the anthropomophisms of Christ?

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