theWayPA wrote: Perhaps he mentioned it because he didn't want to feel like it would be wrong for him as a black man to vote for someone other than President Obama? Man, these message boards are so touchy and angry
Firstblk wrote: This is amazin I've never heard a president reach out to their ethnicity. This is totally inappropriate. Alienating other people groups. I'm a black man that happen to be inopossition to everything tha Obama stands for. I hate when we categorize churches the black church the Korean Hispanic the half Hispanic the I don't what our ethnicity Church. It's the Church of God different ethnicitys not races . It's only one race the human race.
If ethnicity is not an issue for you as a Christian than why did you identify yourself as a black man? Race and ethnicity are still a problem in American churches.
One of the Greatest of all time!! G.O.A.T. This sermon is a perfect listen is you would like Arminianism and Calvinism compared head to head. The explanation of the two doctrines is simple yet doctrinally accurate to the T. A must listen!!!
Along the same lines, Gerard: Something else that could easily falsify the theory of evolution is if we found one single human fossil buried in the same layer as a dinosaur. Yet, young-earth creationists have convinced themselves that the two co-existed. In fact, if Noah's "world-wide flood" were indeed world-wide, we could PREDICT that humans and dinosaurs would be buried in the same layers. Unfortunately, the young earth theory and the flood theory contradict every bit of evidence that we have. Not one prediction has been fulfilled by either theory- to the contrary, in fact. However, given that an ancient book written by goat herders is taken to be "the word of god", these folks blindly believe otherwise.
And I agree with your list of easy proofs for the theory of evolution. My favorite by far is the endogenous retrovirus. When I learned what that was and its implications on the human "family tree", I finally accepted that evolution was in fact, a fact. That was just before I stopped believing in the christian god altogether.
At any rate, good posts, Gerard. I'm positive they'll be well-received by this bunch.
Hello?? I'm right here. Remember- used to believe in God? Now atheist? Why don't you ask me? /Oh that's right- my answer wouldn't fit into your neat little dogma box.
If facts seem to conflict with the bible, theists have a problem accepting those facts. Just like the flat earth (oops, we're past that one) Just like the earth being the center of the universe (oops, we're past that one) Just like the earth being supported by "pillars" (oops, we're past that one) Just like the earth only being 6,000 years old. Even though there is plenty of empirical evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the earth (and the universe) is FAR older than that. And now, just like the theory of evolution. Repent of your evil and ignorant ways, fundies. You're still one step away from believing the earth is flat, while the rest of the world is laughing their heads off.
Yamil/Stan, IF I WASN'T A CHRISTIAN, THEN NOBODY IS. It's so much easier for you to BELIEVE that I wasn't because, once again, it fits into your belief system. Funny how your world view keeps getting in the way, isn't it?
"IF you really had been given saving faith by God you wouldn't be so ignorant of the truth."
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought I KNEW the truth - and probably STILL know your version of the truth BETTER than you do.
Yamil, Your strawman arguments against evolution are getting more tiresome than ever. Look what I wrote above. I was a Christian- a Christ-follower- a follower of "The Way"- Born again, I died, Christ lived within me, etc, etc. The fact that you refuse to believe that doesn't surprise me. It just makes you look pathetic because you cannot accept facts/reality.
Do some research on evolution. I'm not a biologist, I'm a finance manager. But I've at least done my due diligence ON BOTH SIDES and made the most logical choice and accept FACT over BELIEFS. There are plenty of theistic evolutionists out there, all of whom have more common sense than you, and none of which can deny the OVERWHELMING evidence that the earth is older than you claim it is.
Yamil, I used to have faith. I was a biblical literalist, young earth creationist like yourself and went around preaching to anyone who would listen. What changed that? FACTS.
I did not acknowledge in any way that once must have even an ounce of faith to accept the fact of evolution. I simply showed you how failed and untenable your own position is.
You think scientists have a scarce fossil record? Compared to WHAT, exactly? How abundant would you expect 50 million year old fossils to be?
Besides, even if the evidence for evolution were lacking, SOME evidence is infinitely better than ZERO evidence, which is exactly what you have with regards to: 1) The existence of a god 2) The existence of YOUR god 3) The claim that a god wrote or inspired ANY book, much less your bible 4) The existence of miracles 5) The existence of the supernatural 6) The existence of an afterlife
In fact, there is an over-abundance of COUNTER-Evidence to claims that you make with regards to religion. For example: 1) The age of the earth (Seriously...) 2) The age of the universe (I mean really...) 3) Prayer (Studies show zero effect) 4) Morality comes from god (Genocide in the bible, slavery in the bible) 5) Inerrant bible (Don't get me started) 6) etc, etc, etc
I'd just like to point out that we are all transitional species by definition. Take a quick look at the illustration Here I wonder what horses will look like in 100,000 years. I wonder what humans will look like. Certainly in future terms, we are transitional fossils linking our past to our future.
...and what Yamil fails to tell you (because he doesn't know or is being dishonest)... Is that endogenous retroviral inserts weren't part of the original "design" (if there was one). They are "fossils" of viruses that infected our ancestors and reverse-transcribe their RNA into our DNA. Hence, the "common design" argument DOES NOT WORK.
Abigail, Actually, scientists don't state that man has been on the earth only 8,000 years. Man has been in its present state for at least 200,000 years. In fact, a hominid (read: pre-human) fossil found in Ethiopia dates back to between 3 and 3.6 million years ago.
Where you got 8,000 years, I will never know.
Yamil, My question was written by me. The fact that it is a popular question (as it should be) has no bearing on the facts that: (1) You have shown everyone that you are intellectually dishonest (2) You have plagarized someone else's work (3) You are avoiding the question with semantics and arrogance
You and I sir, have nothing left to talk about.
However, for anybody that wishes to see solid proof of the theory of evolution, ask yourself this question:
Please explain how humans and other primates can have the exact same endogenous retroviral inserts in the exact same part of their genome, without there being a common ancestry.
Yamil will have to make a jab at me after I post this because he is the type that always has to have the last word. But intelligent discourse with him is impossible, so he's on "ignore" as far as I'm concerned.
Yamil, Your post regarding ERV's: (1) was obviously not your own work, (2) was a strawman, and (3) did not answer the question.
Your entire post was basically, "I'm going to ignore your question and explain how this thingy is really complex so I don't understand how it could happen".
All you have done is merely acknowledge that they do indeed exist, but I'm still not convinced that you actually know what they are.
So tell me, Mr cut-and-paste argument: Please explain how humans and other primates can have the exact same endogenous retroviral inserts in the exact same part of their genome, without there being a common ancestry.
Hint: You may wish to find out what an endogenous retrovirus is.
So thus far, you have forgotten to answer the question, copy-and-pasted an answer that you thought would work without citing a source, and then arrogantly exclaimed "Ha!" at the end of the plagarized post. Just so you know.
Theist: Belief makes evidence Atheist: Evidence makes belief