John UK wrote: Brother, let us look at this passage, and why I included it. John 17:4 KJV (4) I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. Jesus says he has finished the work which God the Father gave him to do. This was before he had finished the work which God the Father had given him to do. Jesus instituted the new covenant in his blood before even the crucifixion took place. "Drink ye all of it, this is the new covenant in my blood." And "do this in remembrance of me." Remembrance of what, exactly? It had not happened yet. A moment before, they were still living in the old covenant, celebrating passover. Are not these things so? If I am barking up the wrong tree, please rephrase your initial point so that I understand it better. Thank you.
John doesn't show that He wasn't using symbolism at the Passover meal with His disciples. Thanks
John UK wrote: Bro, Jesus could have said: ...this represents my body. but he actually said: ...this is my body.
You stop short
He did not say about His body, which will be broken or will be given , He said which is broken or is given. He did not say My blood which will be shed, but My blood which is shed .
He finished with this do in remembrance, which weds what we do for things that have already come to pass.
No other interpretation can be made than one of symbolism because He was speaking of things that had not occurred as if they were in the past tense. Communion with the Lord is a daily state not just reserved for times one is partaking in the ‚ÄúLord‚Äôs Supper‚ÄĚ. Breaking of bread is a time of looking back with gratitude and gravity to what our Savior has done, a present honest and solemn look into our own spiritual condition and a future look to His return.
John UK wrote: ... With stockpiling of weaponry and ammunition in America, and with the economy and jobs severely affected by lockdown procedures, with this leading to near starvation for some families, and supposing the pandemic cannot be controlled any other way, and the guv not willing to let it run and do its worst, thusly the austerity continues until some folks just cannot cope any more, and they see stealing food as the only way of survival, at gunpoint of course, maybe stealing money, cars etc., maybe forming into groups or gangs, living in forests like Robin Hood, robbing the rich so that their families can eat, and so on and so forth. ...
John do as you wish but I believe you would do well to stop with such a characterization of a civilization you don't seem to understand. You appear to get your facts about from it the liberal media. The vast majority of gun owners in the United States (we are talking high 90‚Äôs in percentile) are law abiding citizens not unruly mobs or those who can‚Äôt wait to use their fire power to lord it over others. If the scenario you painted was in any way accurate it would have happened long ago and been common throughout our history.
Perhaps dear sister ladybug could clarify.¬†¬†¬†The Philippian¬†¬†¬†jailer did not ask what must I do to be saved all the time Paul and Silas where under his watch until after the earthquake.¬†¬†Was he quickened by the Holy Ghost, converted by the Word, granted faith and repentance by God, YES, but the circumstance he faced was used by God.¬†¬†¬†Read Psalm 107 and then says circumstances are not part of God‚Äôs dealings with men.¬†¬†When did Jonah cry out, in the whale‚Äôs belly not in the hinder part of ship in which he was sleeping.¬†¬†God is a God of means, things don‚Äôt happen in a vacuum.¬†¬†We believe in the providence of God, and that includes the circumstances He ordains to bring in His flock.¬†¬† He used a snowstorm to cause Spurgeon to hear the words from Scripture that brought him to saving faith.¬†¬†False professions, foxhole conversions, etc. doesn‚Äôt take away from the working of God in the lives of people.
If you don't want to be a humanist, cease looking at the sinner who, after all, is going to get his just deserts for his heinous sins, and look instead towards the Lord Jesus Christ, and exclaim, "DOES HE NOT DESERVE THE FRUIT OF HIS SUFFERING!"
Find that in the Bible as that which need to be said to sinners and them not being told of the mercy of fleeing to Christ to escape the wrath to come/. We all deserve hell. Jesus said He came to save that which lost not just to tell them they are getting the just desert of their life.
Jesus said Father forgive them for they know not what they do, was He a humanist?
Stephen said lay not this sin to their charge, was he a humanist?
Paul said he warned with tears and the he wished himself to accursed for the salvation of his national kinsman, was he a humanist?
After Spurgeon‚Äôs death one of the man giving a tour stated if you wish to be like Spurgeon, then you need to get on your knees and weep for the lost, was Spurgeon a humanist?
Praying for QC and family. May God grant her healing
This your quote Jim from Lincoln, show where MLK stated he thought that healthcare was a civil right. The full actual quote will follow so you can get it right.¬†¬†Remember it is not what the author of your article thinks or what anybody else thinks, Jim from Lincoln show where MLK advocates government providing healthcare or even speaks about healthcare .
‚ÄúWe are concerned about the constant use of federal funds to support this most notorious expression of segregation. Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health is the most shocking and the most inhuman because it often results in physical death.‚ÄúI see no alternative to direct action and creative nonviolence to raise the conscience of the nation.‚ÄĚ
[AUTHOR]Jim Lincoln[/AUTHOR]Or for another comment on Instagram by her, which is highly intelligent This must not be a recent comment by AOC? excerpt from,"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Speaks to Supporters About the Minneapolis Protests" https://tinyurl.com/y8f646pw[/QUOTE]More proof of AOC's lack of understanding and showing how out of touch she is with real facts.¬†¬†¬†
Speaking of being out of touch with facts, Jim seems to have trouble remembering that Obamacare¬†¬†(aka UHC) is still in place and has not been removed by Republicans who were all talk and no action on it.¬†¬†¬†Stop bemoaning not having something that is the law of the land.
The gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes. It‚Äôs not about Calvinism. The unregenerate don‚Äôt know about or care about TULIP. A tract ihas the Word of God included in it to show a person they‚Äôre a list condemned sinner in need of salvation by the grace of God through the work of Christ. The person sharing the tract is merely a seed sower or waterer. God alone can give the increase. Men and women were saved LONG before Calvinism ever entered the scene. Your loyalty needs to be to the Word of God and the doctrinal dissertations of men. Calvinism saves nobody. You talk about what God doesn‚Äôt need, guess what He doesn‚Äôt need Calvinism to bring His sheep into the fold. I‚Äôm not defending Arminianism, I am saying we should be concerned with what saith the Scriptures instead of elevating the doctrines and writings of men ( like the WCF) as its equal
Ah without even entering what is meant by¬†¬†"Calvinism is the gospel"¬†¬†we need the proof that what is presented in Chick tracts is what Mr. Spurgeon would call Arminianism.¬†¬†
We need proof that in order to be saved an unregenerate person must be told and also understand the so called doctrines of grace.
We must see a presentation of the gospel that uses the TULIP acrostic in the New Testament. There must be something close to it for Adriel to be correct.
We must see statements from those who are said to be arminian that they don't believe the Holy Spirit's work in an essential part of saving grace.¬†¬†Maybe a quote where they think the sinner can pull himself up by his own boot straps and be saved.¬†¬†¬†Shouldn't be difficult to produce.¬†¬†
We must see the New Testament passage where in preaching the gospel the lost are told about the importance of the doctrine of election and another that says in order for them to be saved they do absolutely nothing.
Correct me if I am wrong, you seem to characterize with a wide brush current day believers with Revelation 3:17.¬†¬†Your warnings against growing apostasy are on¬†¬†a site where people who come here listen to godly sermons, books, music, podcasts, readings, etc.¬†¬†I would venture that would not be something those who are complacent or unconverted would do for the most part.¬†¬†Remember we are the audience to whom you speak.¬†¬†Maybe you could make a clearer distinction between addressing so called Christianity and those who fall under the condemnation of Titus 1:16 and genuine blood bought believers.¬†¬†Thanks
Well enough John and thank you for your kind words.
My issue has to do with not the tares, not the so called Christianity but actual believers in the Lord.¬†¬†Ones who are by the terms of Philippians 1:6 are a work in progress.¬†¬†We all have areas in which the work of mortification needs to be exercised more diligently.¬†¬†None of us can say that we have attained¬†¬†(Philippians 3:12-16)but we all need to press on in our walk with God.¬†¬†Thank God He works in us both to will and to do after HIs good pleasure in conforming us to the image of our precious Lord Jesus Christ!¬†¬†Thank God He remembers our frame that we are but dust and will abundantly pardon our transgressions.¬†¬†May we all desire that sin has neither root nor fruit in our lives realizing that there will always be a fight against the world the flesh and devil.
John, thanks for your response. I believe you‚Äôll search in vain for me saying you shouldn‚Äôt warn against apostasy or even the brethren against sin.
In short let us say that you should be against apostasy but the group that make up those people are not Christians and my point was about how you paint Christianity not how you address the unregenerate
Also are you saying that in this forum there are many apostates that need to be warned? This is the location of your posts after all
John, it was a rare occasion that we find in Scripture where it is said that the glory of the Lord filled the house.¬†¬†Yet we see Him promise of His presence (I Kings 9:3) there.
There are undoubtedly preachers by the hundreds and their people who bath an assembly in prayer that God would meet with them during their time of worship.¬†¬†There are undoubtedly people by the the thousands who seek the Lord daily and gather to worship God.¬†¬†Are they perfect, we both know the answer to that.¬†¬†Does God delight in His children who seek Him?
Maybe you should consider how negative you are in your assessment of believers in general.¬†¬†Even our Lord at a time of great agony in His life acknowledge of His failing disciples and companions that the Spirit indeed was willing but the flesh was weak.
We don‚Äôt need to paint a rosy picture where there isn‚Äôt one but our Lord said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against His church.¬†¬†There is a remnant who love the Lord and serve Him faithfully. Paul rebuked sin and pointed out good things in His epistles.¬†¬†The Lord put admonished the good and¬†¬†rebuked the bad in addressing the seven churches of Asia.