rogerant wrote:
Are you saying then, that God is still angry towards or at you?

YES our Father will, does and can get angry at us and righteously so - BECAUSE we still sin.

Because HE is our Father!

He will chastise His children and anger is not negative in God - it is righteous.

Psalm 30:5 For HIS ANGER endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

#Was God angry with David?

Psalm 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.

Psalm 56:7 Shall they escape by iniquity? in thine anger cast down the people, O God.

Psalm 74:1 O God, why hast thou cast us off for ever? why doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy pasture?

God uses His anger in a positive sense like all His attributes.

Psalm 78:21 Therefore the LORD heard this, and was wroth: so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel;

etc! etc!!

He does also turn His anger away

rogerant wrote:
Can a believer provoke God to anger?
If a beleiver can provoke God or the Holy Spirit to anger, then he is as good as dead. Because anger must be propitiated.

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

Can you sin in your body?
If so that would anger the Spirit.
After all HE is not exactly going to be happy about it is HE? All of the Trinity have the attribute of righteous anger. Our Father knows His children all too well and I'm sure many of His children provoke Him to anger by sin.

Also this advice in Ephesians to Christians reminds us of the sin remaining in us which we are to learn to control and reject.

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye ANGRY, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your WRATH:

Quote;
"When the Catholic bishops woke up on Nov. 5, two stark realities stared them in the face. First, 54 percent of Catholics voted for Obama — despite the bishops' teachings that abortion is evil. Second, the president-elect has promised to loosen restrictions on the procedure."(NPR)

Mike wrote:
I suspect the opposite is true. The decline in Christian morals and doctrines leads to liberalism. Something always fills the vacuum.

Psalm 94:23 And HE shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.

Vogue wrote:
Obama will be an awesome President! He will restore the status of the US and build relationships with our Allies and bring about better communications even with our enemies. I'm VERY confident of his abilities. However, my complete trust is not in a human being, but in Almighty God who alone is the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe!

R Graziotin wrote:
Can any one tell me why as some say the big media companys are bias toward the more leftest political parties. was wondering if any had a strong case to examin.Thx

"It was the day that a host of BBC executives and star presenters admitted what critics have been telling them for years: the BBC is dominated by trendy, Left-leaning liberals who are biased against Christianity and in favour of multiculturalism."

"At the secret meeting in London last month, which was hosted by veteran broadcaster Sue Lawley, BBC executives admitted the corporation is dominated by homosexuals and people from ethnic minorities, deliberately promotes multiculturalism, is anti-American, anti-countryside and more sensitive to the feelings of Muslims than Christians"(Daily Mail)

Sanctification.
WCG
13:1. They who are effectually called and regenerated, having a new heart and a new spirit created in them, are further sanctified, really and personally, through the virtue of Christ's death and resurrection,(a) by his Word and Spirit dwelling in them;(b) the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed,(c) and the several lusts thereof are more and more weakened and mortified,(d) and they more and more quickened and strengthened, in all saving graces,(e) to the practice of true holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.(f)

(a). Acts 20:32; Rom 6:5-6; 1 Cor 6:11; Phil 3:10.
(b). John 17:17; Eph 5:26; 2 Thes 2:13.
(c). Rom 6:6, 14.
(d). Rom 8:13; Gal 5:24.
(e). Eph 3:16-19; Col 1:11.
(f). 2 Cor 7:1; Heb 12:14.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached DID NOT PROFIT THEM, not being mixed with *FAITH* in them that heard it.

The Word preached on its own does not convert.

Faith must be in the human heart before preaching works to convert.

Saving Faith being the gift of God.

Therfore!

Only God can make the word/preaching an instrument of HIS purpose unto salvation.

GG wrote:
Only on SA will you find supposed christians getting their knickers in a twist because the Pope publically criticised God-less Society. When are ya'll going to recognize that your problem with Bene XIV has more to do with competetion between competing brands of Christianity than any real substance.

Bene is XVI - 16
Not XIV - 14

Michael Hranek wrote:
as apparently a lost person under the preaching of the Word of Christ and conviction of the Holy Ghost can in my words desire

If as you say the person is under the conviction of the Holy Spirit, then there is a universe of a difference between them and those who do not have the indwelling of the Spirit. Where God has begun a good work then they are elect and drawn to Jesus, by His grace and none of man's sinful effort is required, to that end. As Icon O'Clast teaches below, when the Holy Spirit has entered the heart then they are born again.
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Did Jesus believe in a sovereign God?

Jesus teaching is; I came not to do my will but the will of God.
We may argue that Jesus 'will' is in complete harmony with His Father. Yet He makes this point, always deferring to God.

EG:: Matt 12.50, 26.39, Luke 22.42,
John 4.34, 5.30, 6.38/39.

Jo 5.30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Now if Jesus defers to His Father on "will" why do some who call themselves Christian seek to establish the will of the sinner at the most crucial point, - viz coming to christ - as the operation of the will of man?

Pastor Gary Click wrote:
You still haven't told me the last time you witnessed or won someone to Christ. Are you a soulwinner or not?

Those who believe in the works based religions may, like the pharisees, seek to win followers to their own persuasions, and thus boast loudly.

Mat 2.15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.