Covenant detail wrote:
"The covenant made with Abraham was primarily a spiritual covenant, though it also had a national aspect, and of this spiritual covenant circumcision was a sign and seal. It is an unwarranted procedure of the Baptists to split this covenant up into two of three different covenants. The Bible refers to the covenant with Abraham several times, but always in the singular, Ex. 2:24; Lev. 26:42, II Kings 13:23; I Chron. 16:16; Ps. 105:9. There is not a single exception to this rule. The spiritual nature of this covenant is proved by the manner in which its promises are interpreted in the New Testament, Rom. 4:16-18; II Cor. 6:16-18; Gal. 3:8,9,14,16; Heb. 8:10; 11:9,10,13. It also follows from the fact that circumcision was clearly a rite that had spiritual significance, Deut. 10:16; 30:6; Jer. 4:4; 9:25,26; Acts 15:1; Rom. 2:26-29; 4:11; Phil. 3:2; and from the fact that the promise of the covenant is even called “the gospel,” Gal. 3:8.

Okay genius how do you answer Gal 5.3?

Do you keep the entire law?

Covenant detail wrote:
Baptist ideology - Cut out Covenant of Grace - Cut out OT - and even cut out parts of the NT Thus - Less Bible.
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
The Anabaptist year 1521 scheme was obviously based upon the rejection of Scripture which did not support their ideology on baptism.
The subsequent development of Baptist tradition has obviously acceded to and accepted this human hypothesis whilst excluding the Word of God.
"The ground or basis of baptism is the same for both adults and children. Children are not baptized on
the basis of a presumed regeneration and neither are adults. The covenant is the grounds of the baptism
of both adults and children. Both professing believers and their children are included in the covenant and
thus receive the sign of the covenant."
(Jason A. Van Bemmel)
http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/Children_of_the_Covenant.pdf

John for JESUS wrote:
1/11/14 11:23 PM
John for JESUS | ATL
• Posted 13 hours ago
Salvation is through trusting in Jesus alone. However, I believe Calvinist imagine God adding to the finished work of salvation ("It is finished!" John 19:30) a salvaic work of faith.
You said, "You think your works salvation is better than a God given faith?"

However, I believe Calvinist imagine God adding to the finished work of salvation ("It is finished!" John 19:30) a salvaic work of faith.?

John for JESUS wrote:
Question...
Then if faith is not a work, stop accusing people of believing in salvation by works for believing in salvation by faith!

Covenant detail wrote:
Remember what Bible teaches
WCF 28 Baptism is a sacrament of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ,a not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible Church,b but also to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace,c of his ingrafting into Christ,d of regeneration,e of remission of sins,f and of his giving up unto God, through Jesus Christ, to walk in newness of life:g which sacrament is, by Christ’s own appointment, to be continued in his Church until the end of the world.h
a Mat 28:19 b 1 Cor 12:13 c Rom 4:11 with Col 2:11-12 d Rom 6:5; Gal 3:27 e Titus 3:5 f Mark 1:4 g Rom 6:3-4 h Mat 28:19-20.

SteveR wrote:
And so, all who withdraw from the church or do not join it act contrary to God's ordinance.

John for JESUS wrote:
The second the Church of England used water they dumbed down baptism.

John for JESUS wrote:
Question...
You are proving my point. Show me where in scripture God said faith is a work of salvation. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. (Romans 3:28 NASB)

SteveR wrote:
I would consider it a curse for a Catholic to leave & join a
1) Social Gospel Church
2) Prosperity Gospel Church
3) Spirit of Munster Anabaptist Church
..
Deuteronomy 27:19 Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.

The alternative, which is far better is to stay at home!

SteveR wrote:
Sounds like a great reason to stay in the RCC, as most Protestant denominations are falling into true apostasy left and right.

John for JESUS wrote:
Salvation is through trusting in Jesus alone. However, I believe Calvinist imagine God adding to the finished work of salvation ("It is finished!" John 19:30) a salvaic work of faith.

John Yurich USA wrote:
The Bible states that salvation is only through trusting in Jesus alone for salvation which is what the Baptist doctrine of salvation states.

John Yurich USA wrote:
If Graham is a false teacher then all Baptist ministers are considering that Graham is a Baptist minister and Graham preaches the Baptist doctrine of salvation that salvation comes only through trusting in Jesus alone for salvation, which is what the Bible states is how salvation comes about.

John Yurich USA wrote:
All those things you mentioned are important but they are not required for salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven. The only thing that is required for one to become saved and to enter Heaven upon ones demise is to trust in Jesus alone for salvation. That is what I was learned from watching Billy Graham and other Baptist ministers on television.

John Yurich USA wrote:
That is totally false that one who trusts in Jesus alone for salvation and doesn't leave the Catholic Church can't be really saved. The Bible states that the only thing required for salvation is to trust in Jesus alone for salvation. Nowhere in the Bible is church attendance/membership mentioned as being required for salvation. You can't possibly know for certain that John Paul II did not embrace Jesus as his Savior before passing away. My Born Again Non Denominational brother accepts that I am saved because I trust in Jesus alone for salvation. I sure don't trust in the Sacraments and the Catholic Church for salvation.

Question: was circumcision a sign of the covenant of grace?

are you sure wrote:
Gentiles are now one Church together with the believing Jews as Paul teaches in Ephesians.

Do you even consider what you post up?!

It is believing Gentiles and Jews who make up the NT church. Israel in the OT was not therefore a church in NT terms because it was a mixed multitude, believers and unbelievers together. There is no comparison between the 2. They are chalk and cheese.

Must and again Must wrote:
Talking about "sacred traditions" you guys cannot give up the recent religious traditions which you have developed over the last couple of centuries to authenticate the Anabaptist heresies. After 15 centuries of orthodox teaching according to Scripture you invent a new religious tradition and a new religious organisation from that new interpretation.
Not even the papists did that one!!

Biblical Doctrine wrote:
Larger Catechism Of the WCF

How does this support your view that the Abrahamic covenant was the covenant of grace, Mr disrespectful liar?