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Survey4/12/08 11:33 PM
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John_for_Christ wrote:
The passage is analogy.
Part A: A married man should not become one with a harlot. (Implied by part B.)
Part B: A Christian cannot be currently "married" to Christ, and engaged in sin (i.e. "married to a harlot"--implied by part A).
If the two parts are not congruent, then the analogy doesn't hold.
John,

Will you admit that it cannot be established conclusively that the man in Paul's hypothetical discourse is married to two WOMEN? That when taken at face value the hypothetical discourse in context speaks of three parties; Christ, a member of His body and a harlot and beyond these three parties one must assume and impose on the text that which is not stated?

This has been my sole point in rejoining this discussion today.


Survey4/12/08 10:54 PM
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John_for_Christ wrote:
The man is *implied* to be married, as verse 16 takes its meaning from both Gen. 2:24 and verse 15 above it.
If the man were single, then the contextual reference in verse 15 wouldn't make sense--the Christian is *already* assumed to be married to Christ. Therefore, the example is of a man (i.e. the Christian) becoming one with a harlot *while* currently married.
John,

You are taking me for a tiptoe around the tulips.

"Therefore, the example is of a man (i.e. the Christian) becoming one with a harlot *while* currently married."

Married to whom? Come out with it John... while married to Christ.
You know that is what the passage is teaching. Will you admit it?


Survey4/12/08 10:27 PM
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John_for_Christ wrote:
members of a harlot" (i.e. sinful things)
So now a harlot is not a woman but "sinful things"? A metaphore? Why all the appeals to this passage if you people can't agree on the definition of a harlot?

John_for_Christ wrote:
Point proven.
Only in your fertile imagination. Try again. Is the MAN married to two women at the same time? (In case you haven't figured it out I'm trying to get you people to be honest with this text and accept it for what it STATES and not for what it doesn't state but you would like it to imply.)

John_for_Christ wrote:
Mat. 19 is about divorce, not polygamy. Jesus was speaking of the permanency of marriage. Polygamy isn't even hinted at.
Matt 19:9 Whosoever shall put away his...

wife

... except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

You are right. "wife" No hint of polygamy.

Next.


Survey4/12/08 10:09 PM
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Adelphos wrote:
Too funny! I can tell you have never done word studies before. If you wish I could give you some web sites for your to look at that shows the "word study" process. This way you will understand that the argument is legitimate - oh, btw, I will make sure that none of these sites are ran by polygynists - you might think we are biased on how to do word studies!
Blessings
Now it's word studies! What next?

If you can establish that the hypothetical man in Paul's discourse (1 Cor 6:16) is still "one flesh" with the wife of his youth while also being "one flesh" with a harlot then you have a case. If not you are guilty of perverting the two passages which are crystal clear (Gen 2:24 & Matt 19:5-6) with an interpretation of 1 Cor 6:16 that cannot be established.

What you are attempting to do is not interpreting scripture with scripture and you know it. You just don't like getting caught in the act for all to see. And quite frankly I don't like discussing with someone who is willing to do this even though he knows better.

Either establish your interpretation of 1 Cor 6:16 or cease the appeal.


Survey4/12/08 7:44 PM
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Adelphos wrote:
So, for you, I will help you understand how the Hebrews used the term "one flesh".
Save it. The words of God and Jesus are clear. If you want to reject the clear for the obscure that is your business. (The harlot passage is obscure because it cannot be establish that the man is still married to the wife of his youth.)

Survey4/12/08 7:15 PM
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Adelphos wrote:
However, you haven't proven what "one flesh" means, yet, you are trying to condemn others based on something you cannot prove its meaning.
I can't prove anything to you that you are unwilling to believe but the very passage you would like to have endorse polygamy by argument from silence makes clear what "one flesh" means if you will but believe what it states and stop trying to create doctrine from what it doesn't state.

Survey4/12/08 7:06 PM
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Adelphos wrote:
It means what it means - exactly! It also DOESN'T MEAN what is doesn't mean. So, how does a person become one flesh with another according to the Scripture?
The possibilities of what the passage doesn't mean are near infinate and quite irrelevant. But at least you got my point and that was my purpose. Enough said.

Survey4/12/08 6:45 PM
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Adelphos wrote:
Minnow said,
"Matthew 19:5 "And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?"
That is God's and Christ's word on the subject."

This is what logicians call a "non sequitar". Just because Christ said that the "twain shall be one flesh", it does not mean that other "twain" cannot become also become "one flesh".

And this is called argument from silence. The passage means what it means yet you want us to believe that polygamy is blessed by God because of what the passage does not say. Astounding!

Survey4/12/08 2:24 PM
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Discerning Believer wrote:
If their salvation is in themselves like most Arminians here, they have reason whereof to [f]ear for the security of their soul, but if their salvation is in Christ alone, then their assurance is in the faithfulness of Christ in that he accomplished the will of his Father in the complete redemption of his people. Their is no such thing as partial redemption, either you are or you aren't.

Sin will indeed destroy the believer's testimony and fellowship with the Lord and will in some cases result in premature death.

AMEN!

Survey4/12/08 1:54 PM
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Some good points made by Bernard, Icon O'Clast and DJC49.

Moderation in all things. Gluttony is sin as well as drunkenness. If one's conscience is clear with God then do all things with thanksgiving but do nothing to cause thy brother to stumble.

Btw, based on Jesus' testimony of John Baptist does anyone beside me believe John had a Nazerite vow during his ministry?

. . .

Edit: confuse wrote "If Jesus condones drinking wine with alcoholic content, then the bible is contradictory. Jesus says in Mat. 26:29, "I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit {the fruits of the earth] of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom". This wine Jesus refers to is the product of agriculture."

Mat 26:27-28 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is ***my blood of the new testament***, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The reference is to the Lord's table.


News Item4/11/08 10:26 PM
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By Your Standards, Not Elect wrote:
So, it looks like I ended up doing the work for you.
For me? You did nothing but try to lead me down a rabbit trail.

That must mean you could find no fault with the point I made to Lance about the "world to come" not being purgatory. Just as I thought.


News Item4/11/08 9:49 PM
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By Your Standards, Not Elect wrote:
No, a summary of a doctrine, not a commentary, like the one you keep repeating.
I made one simple point about the "world to come" to Lance as a favor and backed it up with scripture. If I was wrong then show him how I was wrong. If you want to make a case for the "doctrine" of purgatory then open a survey for that purpose and make your case. I'm not going to do your work for you.

Survey4/11/08 8:02 PM
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KK,

You have no assurance of your stsnding before God, do you?


News Item4/11/08 7:15 PM
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By Your Standards, Not Elect wrote:
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Can you give us a succinct summary of the doctrine of Purgatory?
You're kidding, right? But just for you here is my "succinct summary" again...

"Purgatory is an invention of cunning, deceived men to keep people like yourself in bondage. There is no second chance to purge sin. Either your sins are completely washed away by the blood of the Lamb (the ONE and ONLY remedy for sin) upon His calling or they remain forever."


Survey4/11/08 3:54 PM
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KK wrote:
It's "A Matter of The Heart" !!!
Jer 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

God's work. Nothing you can do to add or take away from it.... except praise Him for His mercy which He empowers His own to do by the abiding and indwelling Spirit of Truth.

Hbr 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of [our] lips giving thanks to his name.

This is why those called of the Father, the justified children of promise who live by faith, will never grieve the Holy Spirit and will never fall from grace.

Jud 1:24-25 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Good day, KK.


Survey4/11/08 2:37 PM
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KK wrote:
This is the problem ------- men have placed "everything" on Christ
Believing in and trusting on Christ alone, and Him crucified, is not the problem, KK, for the Father placed everthing on the Son for the sake of His people to provide an escape from eternal damnation (Is 53:4-6... please read it). He is the SOLUTION for He said "It is finished." and I believe Him. There is nothing anyone can add to His finished work for "Christ in you" is the one and only hope of glory. All anyone can do is receive the free gift of eternal life with a joyful heart and give the praise, honor and glory to the Father for drawing His own to His Son in mercy so He may work His good works, which we are ordained to walk in, in us. (Is 26:12)

It is apparent that you will not answer my reasonable question but choose instead to keep us in the dark allowing us to perish in our "ReLiGiOn" (where is the Christian compassion for those you believe are in grave error?) so I will depart and hold my peace.


Survey4/11/08 1:13 PM
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KK wrote:
Your statement is ABSURD -- I TRUST IN Christ FOR ALL THAT He HAS DONE BY WAY OF THE CROSS !!! -- According to your theology we should throw the BIBLE out because there is nothing any of us can do to get out of GOD'S HAND.
I made NO statement! Based on your comments I gave a premise...

"Apparently you don't trust Christ alone to keep you from falling from grace"

...which premise you confirmed once again by saying "According to your theology we should throw the BIBLE out because there is nothing any of us can do to get out of GOD'S HAND." (If you can get out of God's hand then it follows that there is something you can do to stay in His hand) and posed a question in two forms...

1) How do you put the warnings into practice in your life since you freely confess they apply to you?

2) what else above Christ (alone) do you put your trust in?

...and asked you to supply the conclusion (how you keep yourself from falling from grace). Will you? Or will you keep it a secret from everyone and continue screaming "IT'S ABOUT RELATIONSHIP!!!" and "The Matters of The Heart" from your soapbox?


Survey4/11/08 2:12 AM
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KK wrote:
THE WARNINGS APPLY TO "you AND "me"
How do you put the warnings into practice in your life since you freely confess they apply to you? Apparently you don't trust Christ alone to keep you from falling from grace so what else above Christ do you put your trust in?

News Item4/11/08 12:57 AM
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Lance Eccles wrote:
Remember, there is no forgiveness for those who sin against the Holy Spirit, either in this world (repentance) or in the next (purgatory).
Ah, erm.... Lance, the "world (aion meaning age) to come" is the age of the preaching of the gospel and thereby eternal life.

Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and **in the world to come eternal life**.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that **ye may know that ye have eternal life**, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Purgatory is an invention of cunning, deceived men to keep people like yourself in bondage. There is no second chance to purge sin. Either your sins are completely washed away by the blood of the Lamb (the ONE and ONLY remedy for sin) upon His calling or they remain.


Survey4/11/08 12:34 AM
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KK wrote:
Do tell --- just what are we all to do with GOD'S WARNINGS TO THOSE "IN" Christ? CUT THEM OUT OF THE BIBLE?
It would do you well to realize that the gospel must be preached indiscriminately to all the world. That was the command, was it not? That is what Paul faithfully did not knowing who would endure to the end and who would not. He was faithful to his calling so he gave many warnings hoping against hope that none would fall away from the faith.

When one reads the parable of the sower it is clear that the seed (Word) falls not only on good soil but also on shallow soil, byways and stony places. Not every grain springs up and produces a harvest to be raised into the barn.

So some questions to consider are: Who are these people whose hearts rejoiced for a season when they heard the Word but fall away? Are they children of promise or children of the devil? Had they been given to the Son by the Father with the command to lose nothing? Did Jesus ever know them? Is He faithful and able to keep the Father's command?

1Cr 1:8-9 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

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