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Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

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Lurker,
I must go to bed, so this will be my last post for today. It should be noted that the Israelites in Babylon were in captivity in Babylon under Babylonian law as a punishment. They were in no position to even be capable of iposing God's law. We, however, live in a Christian nation. So we are blessed indeed. Goodnight!

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P.S. There are more, I just didn't post all of them. So sorry for that.

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Then we disagree. I've posted all of the Scriptures for my position, so there is nothing more I can do. Please consider my position, and read the verses I've referenced on here open minded and prayerfuly. I have done so with your position.

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Lurker,
So do you believe we should apply the Old Testament civil law as still binding for society or not? For example: applying the commandment "thou shalt not kill" in our society, and then punishing any infractions of that law with the death penalty. That is what I believe based on my reading of Scripture, so I wan't to understand your position.

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To further support my last statement:
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

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Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Why is the carnal mind enmity against God? Because it is not subject to the law of God. Why is sin evil? Because it is not subject to the law of God. Remove the law and sin is undefigned!


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1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

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1Co 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? Why would Paul be siteing the Old Testament civil law if it was of no affect?

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Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

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Just so you know,
That's not a disapointment. And I was trying to point out the logical error of his argument, not somehow say he was lying! He is making far to many assumptions for my taste. And as I showed with pure scripture from after Christ's crucifiction, even Paul sited the law. You and others on the other side of the debate, however, have failed to prove only some of His commandments are to be followed when he simply said "keep My commandments".

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Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 1Co 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

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All of the following verses are from Paul after Christ's death. Please read them, as it took me longer than anticapated to put them together for you. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

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Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Those were Paul's words after Christ's death and atonement. Was he wrong for "believing all things which are written in the law"? I will post more in a few minutes.

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Corrction: it does refer to them as the "ten commandments" once, but it was not commonto reffer to them as such in Jesus's time, and Jesus was not required to point out each and every one of His commandments. The OT civil law were some of His commandments, He told us to keep His commandments, and so we should.

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Lurker, you said "He never spoke explicitly of the 10 commandments so you leave me wondering how you can make that assumption. Is it that anywhere you read "keep my commandments" it automatically points back to Sinai? That's an awfully big assumption to make without some objective biblical reason to do so.". As has been mentioned before, of course Jesus wouldn't have reffered to them as the "10 commandments", because nowhere else in the Bible (including where God gave them to Moses) were they called the "10 commandments". That name for them is a human invention. And you are the one making the big assumption. You are assuming that "keep My commandments" only means some of them and doesn't mean all of them. And btw, if you reject the Old Testament civil law (or the 10 commandments that are part of that civil law), then why should we follow the commandment "Thou shalt not kill"? And what if when He said "Thou shalt not kill", maybe he was only meaning on tuesdays, or wednsdays! That comports with your logic on His other command to "keep My commandments"! And how can we make an argument against abortion without the command "thou shalt not kill"? Should we not seek to apply that law to government to end abortion? Or what about the OT laws against sodomy? Should we not apply

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Lurker wrote:
People tend to gravitate to that which they have a predilection to believe even when it means teaching "Thus saith the Lord" when He never spoke.

What about: John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Or maybe: John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Are we to inore these verses? Or just make unfounded assumptions like you that "my commandments" doesn't mean all of them?


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"Did I say they didn't apply? And what are the righteous judgments which endure forever? All of God's law given at Sinai is righteous but not all gives life. Surely the ministration of death written on tables of stone will only bring death."

All of God's commandments, including the OT civil law are the righteous judgements that endure forever. And I don't believe anyone's arguing that following His commandments give us salvation.


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I should also mention that at Jesus's incarnation the first covenant was still extant.

Psalms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

So what part of His Word ceased to apply and endure at the beginning of the "new covenant"? Can we arbitrarily pick and choose? Or should we use Scripture as our guide? If the latter is the case, the Bible never say the Old Testament civil law no longer applied.


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Psa 111:3 His work is honourable and glorious: and his righteousness endureth for ever. Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. Psa 117:2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD. Psa 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. Psalm 111:7-8 (read that). Psalms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Isaiah 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. That was some great reading!
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