Sorry, forgot one more thing. Biblically we would be able to use grape juice in communion and be just as biblical as those who drink wine. The Bible defines it as â€śfruit of the vineâ€ť. Some use grape juice, some use wine, both are the â€śfruit of the vineâ€ť.
No. I am not saying people get a buzz from communion. Nor was I saying that I get buzzed myself. I was just contrasting how we as American Christians at least have this huge problem with letting wine relax us but have absolutely no problem having coffee to the extent of getting a caffeine high. Also this argument of not letting a brother stumble doesnâ€™t work for me cuz then we prolly shouldnâ€™t be drinking coffee as the Jehovahâ€™s Witnessâ€™ see it as a sin and if there was one who had just converted that could be a stumbling block for them. Ultimately, if I know that somebody has had an issue or is having an issue with alcoholism, I wonâ€™t drink. But if not, I will. I personally think the pride that some have from never drinking is far more destructive than just having a glass of wine.
When I say freedom I mean we have freedom in Christ to do things to the glory of God. I eat or drink with thanksgiving and it is holy by prayer and the word of God as it says in 1 Tim. 4:5. Also, Is. 25:6 days that God will provide us with â€śwell aged wine well refinedâ€ť. I think it is very clear that drinking is not an intrinsic evil.
@sc Luke 7:33-34 says that John the Baptist didnâ€™t drink wine and had a very strict diet. But then the next vs says that they called Jesus a glutton (because he did not have a strict diet) and a drunkard ( because he drank). Also, the Passover took place 6 months after the grape harvest. Because there is no way to persevere it i.e. refrigeration the drink they drank would have had some alcohol in it. This is not a matter of sin (if drank responsibly) it is a matter of Christian freedom. And conscience. Also, this talk about a â€śbuzzâ€ť I donâ€™t get. Having a buzz does not mean your drunk, how is that different from drinking coffee to feel more alert? Both affect the senses and if drank in excess, both are sin. The wine in the Bible also was definitely wine. It had medicinal purposes, Paul urged Timothy to drink for the sake of his stomach (1 Tim. 5:23) and they would pour it over wounds to help purify (Lk 10:34)
Reply to 'Reply to Benjamin' You don't know me. I know who Gipp's teacher is. I am not "disciple of Ruckmanites." I know Ruckman's teaching, and I DESPISE his "advanced revelation" nonsense. Jesus Christ alone is my "hero." I believe Gipp has some great information to offer in his writings. Just because he was under Ruckman's direct teaching doesn't mean he's as much of a "Ruckmanite" as one would expect. Just look at his "Understandable History"! Every pig has its bacon. Just because "Ruckman...calls them what I call them" doesn't mean he's right. The point remains: the different editions are EDITIONS, not "revisions." Every single change is the correction of a typo. This cannot compare to the TENS OF THOUSANDS of differences between different revisions of modern bibles (which come out every decade or two). You find altogether different readings, often without the copyright date even changing. See different NKJVs in Zach. 13:6. See also Will Kinney, "Ever Changing ESVs" (brandplucked.webs.com) and Laurence Vance, "Double Jeopardy." "Which KJV do you use, hmmm???" Well, which NKJV? Which ESV? Which NASB? Which NIV? ("Ill-informed, huh?) Again: I am not a fan of Ruckman. I haven't read his books yet, and I don't look forward to it.
SIMPLY AWESOME!!! If you love Samuel Gipp before hearing his "Bible Versions," you'll love him even more afterwards. In this message he not only puts together much of the good stuff from his other SermonAudio.com messages; he keeps the listener laughing all the way through. He has several men come up to the front and read out of several different "bible" versions. He shows in possibly the best way possible that we have far more problems with the modern translations than just doctrinal differences. There are serious changes made that have nothing to do with doctrine. Modern bibles are just plain stupid, and it's simple as that. At the end, he exposes what is happening silently in churches across the board by having all his men read Psalm 23 out of their different versions at once. THAT is what's divisive. It's simply hilarious to listen to. Listen to this sermon. It'll save you some time if you aren't available to listen to fifty other messages.
Reg Kelly Top 10 I feel it appropriate to label this sermon as one of Pastor Kelly's top ten greatest. The message is true and it applies not only to the individual but to all of us as Christians, living in an evil time. Christianity needs to leave our church houses and flood every aspect of life. From Government, to marriage, to family, to schools and to the work place. Praise God for men like Pastor Kelly and Churches like Liberty Faith!
$lave Good message. Well delivered.
Maybe you can add the idea of credit to re-enforce how powerful the attraction is for "money" (our savior) + idea of insurance to redeem our spouse, children, ourselves. All about the false idea, false sense of security.
Great Preaching! Good work Pastor Max,
May God give us the grace to stand immovable as Christ did throughout all of His temptations. May we seek to please God above any pleasures that this world has to offer us. Oh God, that we would seek to be like your Son Jesus.
Amen! Thank you for the wonderful sermon... praise God! Thank God for a day in which we can rest in the finished work of Christ, by following His example in worship, fellowship, and works.
Are these comments from believers in Jesus? Wow. They sound Pharisaical. Sad. These comments are indicative of the very reasons why so many young people are ditching the fundamentalist movement. "You have forgotten your first love." You've stopped exalting Jesus Christ higher than your personal preferences and traditions. When that happens, it becomes vain worship and empty religion, not the Gospel of Jesus.
Brothers and sisters, please heed the warning of Mt 7:21. I love you because Jesus loved me and he loves you, his flock. Oh, what tragedy it would be to hear you say on that day, "Lord, Lord, didn't we follow all the right religious rules? Didn't we abstain from rap music and those who look and talk differently than us religious folk? Didn't we work hard to point out the 'heretics' who listen to rap or rock music?" Brothers and sisters, this is appeal to you to get back to the Gospel in your hearts. "And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."