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 3/10/17 10:22 AM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | |  |  |
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B. McCausland wrote:
However, for those that think of redemption in the phase of two covenants only, say law (Sinai) and grace, it should be helpful to consider that the law has been subject always to the promise of grace made to Abraham, which promise traces back to Gn 3, which goes back to eternity Thanks for making that point BM and for bringing this to bear on this discussion. The promise of grace to Abraham is treated in depth in Romans 4 and confirmed in the following passages of Scripture: Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Galatians 3:6
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. JA |
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| 3/9/17 4:19 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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Again to those following this discussion, A. W. Pink provides an in-depth examination of these matters in his timely article online entitled: The Law and The Saint
A.W. Pink My prayer for each of you is that of
A. W. Pink's: May the Holy Spirit so enlighten our sin-darkened understandings and so draw out our hearts unto God, that we shall truthfully say, "The Law of Thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver. . . . O how love I Thy law! it is my meditation all the day"
(Psa. 119:72-97). Be as the “Bereans” of whom it was said by God. . . “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” (Acts 17:11) Make your own studied and prayerful inquiry, as I have. Pray for wisdom. (James 1:5) And may God grant you discernment. JA
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| 3/9/17 1:44 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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Sharing for the edification of those following this discussion.
Commentary by A. W. Pink What is the relation of the Law (the Ten Commandments) to Christians? . . . three radically different answers have been returned to this question.
The first, that sinners become saints by obeying the Law. This is Legalism pure and simple. It is heresy of the most dangerous kind. All who really believe and act on it as the ground of their acceptance by God, will perish eternally. Second, others say that the Law is not binding on Christians because it has been abolished. This is, we are fully assured, a serious error. It arises from a mistaken interpretation of certain passages in the Epistles. The inevitable tendency of such an error is toward Antinomianism, the "turning of the grace of God into lasciviousness" (Jude 4). Third, others affirm, and the writer is among the number, that the Ten Commandments are an expression of the unchanging character and will of God: that they are a moral standard of conduct which we disregard at our peril: that they are, and will ever be, binding upon every Christian."
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| 3/9/17 12:10 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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@John-UK . .
A.W. Pink goes on to say re the distinctions in the word "law" as it appears throughout Scripture
The "Law of Christ" is God’s moral Law, but in the hands of the Mediator. It is the Law which Christ Himself was "made under" (Gal. 4:4). It is the Law which was "in His heart" (Psa. 40:8). It is the Law which He came to "fulfill" (Matt. 5:17). The "Law of God" is now termed "the Law of Christ" as it relates to Christians. As creatures we are under bonds to "serve the Law of God" (Rom. 7:25). As redeemed sinners we are "the bondslaves of Christ" (Eph. 6:6), and as such we are under bonds to "serve the Lord Christ" (Col. 3:24). The relation between these two appellations, "the law of God" and "the Law of Christ" is clearly intimated in 1 Cor. 9:21, where the apostle states, that he was not without Law to God," for he was "under the Law of Christ". The meaning of this is very simple. As a human creature, the apostle was still under obligation to obey the moral Law of God his Creator; but as a saved man he now belonged to Christ, the Mediator, by redemption. Christ had purchased him: he was His, therefore, he was "under the Law of Christ". The "Law of Christ", then, is just the moral Law of God now in the hands of the Mediator and Redeemer—cf.
Ex.34 :1 and what follows |
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| 3/9/17 11:40 AM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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@John-UK
A.W. Pink points out the distinctions in the word "law" as it appears throughout the whole of Scripture. Note what he says about Acts 15 below . . He writes:
. . careful examination of the teaching of Holy Scripture concerning the Law. But to what do we refer when we speak of "The Law"? This is a term which needs to be carefully defined. In the New Testament there are three expressions used, concerning which there has been not a little confusion. First, there is "the Law of God" (Rom. 7:22, 25, etc.). Second, there is "the Law of Moses" (John 7:23; Acts 13:39, 15:5, etc.). Third, there is "the law of Christ" (Gal. 6:2). Now these three expressions are by no means synonymous, and it is not until we learn to distinguish between them, that we can hope to arrive at any clear understanding of our subject. The "Law of Moses" is the entire system of legislation, judicial and ceremonial, which Jehovah gave to Israel during the time they were in the wilderness. The Law of Moses, as such, is binding upon none but Israelites. This Law has not been repealed. That the Law of Moses is not binding on Gentiles is clear from Acts 15.
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John, I do believe this reference in Acts 15 relates specifically to the ceremonial law, which sets forth in types and shadows Christ |
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| 3/9/17 9:38 AM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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John UK wrote:
Concerning 1 Tim 1:9, and "the law was not made for a righteous man", John Gill has:
"The words δικαιω νομος ου κειται, may be rendered, "the law does not lie upon a righteous man", or against him. It does not lie as a weight or burden on him; its precept does not lie on him, as a task to be performed; nor does its penalty, the curse, lie on him as a punishment to be bore by him: it does not lie upon him, nor against him, as an accusing law, its mouth is stopped by the righteousness of Christ, by which he is denominated a righteous man; nor as a terrifying law, and bringing into bondage by its threats and menaces; nor as a rigorous law, obliging to obedience in a forcible and compulsive way; seeing there is no need of it, the righteous man delights in it, and cheerfully serves it, and the love of Christ constrains him to obey it freely. And much less does it lie on him, or against him as a cursing or condemning law, since Christ has redeemed him from the curse of it."
It is succinctly put, and I do not see why anyone should disagree with that.
But the rebellious never will say, "O how love I thy law." Amen John . . BM . .
With the psalmist I say:
"O how love I thy law."
That is what the Holy Spirit teaches.
- 1 Cor. 2:12-13 |
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| 3/8/17 6:59 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland,OH | | | |
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A word in season - A. W. Pink:
Understanding the relation of the Law to saints as defined by Scripture . . those converted to Christ . . those regenerated by the work of the Holy Spirit . . those saved by grace . .
"But we know that the Law is good, if a man use it lawfully" (1 Tim. 1:8). The Law is used unlawfully, when sinners rest on their imperfect obedience to it as the ground of their acceptance by God. So, too, believers use it unlawfully, when they obey its precepts out of servile fear. But used lawfully, the Law is good. This could never have been said if the Law is an enemy to be shunned. Nor could it have been said if it has been repealed for the Christian.
In that case, the apostle would have said, "The Law is not binding upon us". But he did not so say.
Instead, he declared "The Law is good". He said more than that, he affirmed, "We know that the Law is good". It is not a debateable point, rather is it one that has been Divinely settled for us. But the Law is only "good" if a man (Greek, any one) use it lawfully. To use the Law lawfully is to regard it as the unchanging expression of the will of God, and therefore to "delight" in it. To use the Law lawfully is to receive it as the corrector of our conduct. To use the Law lawfully is to "fulfill" it in love |
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| 3/7/17 3:39 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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John-UK wrote:
"Yes the law of God is a great delight, but I'm right thankful that I don't have to keep it in order to be righteous before God. It would be a case of "woe is me..."Praise God . .
How blessed I am to be clothed in the garment of salvation . . even the robe of Christ's perfect righteousness. Is. 61:10 Christ kept the law of God perfectly and fulfilled the law on our behalf. He alone wrought a perfect work of righteousness that is imputed by faith to “his people”, those who are “in Christ.” 1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: Moreover, Christ declared in Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Those who are “his people” are not lawless, but like Christ are keepers of the law.
Again, that being said, only Christ kept the law of God to perfection, but we who are his disciples have the “mind of Christ”. 1 Corinthians 2:16
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. See also: 1 John 2:6
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. JA - Jer. 23:6 |
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| 3/7/17 2:22 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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John-UK wrote: We can praise our Lord Jesus that he has had mercy on us and given us a new heart and a new life in him. I am really getting to see the wonder of the psalms, that they are so, so relevant to our experience today. John . . indeed I do praise Him for so doing . . "Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men." Ps. 107:8 The new birth / regeneration is unarguably the greatest token for good that God can bestow upon a man. Consider this lovely passage from the Psalms .. one especially relevant to this discussion: Psalm 19:7-11
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. We don't imagine we can keep the law perfectly. Christ only did that.
(Jer. 23:6)
That being said, the law of God is our delight |
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| 3/7/17 1:50 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland,OH | | | |
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John UK wrote:
JuneA, ah yes, you have that exactly right.
It is clear from Romans 7:7 that Paul was very much thinking of the ten commandments when he wrote his letter. And Romans 6:15 is very clear. Thanks for posting those up. Also:
Romans 6:1
(1) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
If we take the definition of sin from the Bible, we could write: "Shall we continue to break the law of God, that grace may abound?"
Obviously the answer is "no". Romans 6:2: "God forbid"
Comparing scripture with scripture leads to sound doctrine. This verse was cut off in my prior post . Psalm 37:31
“The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.” See also:
Ezekiel 11:19-20
And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God. John-UK wrote: Far from being miserable legalists, those who obey God are the most blessed Christians, according to Psalm 1. So true! JA |
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| 3/7/17 1:10 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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John-UK wrote:
Ah brother, I did ask for a biblical definition of sin. As in...
1 John 3:4
(4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.How can we confess our sins to God if we know not what sin is?
Amen John! Parallel Verse: Romans 7:7
“What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.” Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Those who are truly “under grace” are no longer under the condemnation of the law, but the law of God is now written upon the fleshly tables of our heart by the Holy Spirit and God's law is now our delight . . Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: Hebrews 10:16-17
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Ps. 37:31
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| 3/6/17 12:16 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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Kev wrote:"Great insight JA" Thanks Kev, but the paragraph I provided below is a synopsis given by Shaun Willcock
of his book:
The Sabbath And The Lord’s Day by: Shaun Willcock, Gospel Minister /
Website: Bible Based Ministries
http://www.biblebasedministries.co.uk/product/the-sabbath-and-the-lords-day/ I just c/p the overview he gave of his book. All credit must be ascribed to Mr. Willcock,
though I do agree with his commentary on this matter. JA |
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| 3/6/17 10:42 AM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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A Related Read: The Sabbath And The Lord’s Day by: Shaun Willcock, Gospel Minister /
Website: Bible Based Ministries
http://www.biblebasedministries.co.uk/product/the-sabbath-and-the-lords-day/Are Christians to observe the first day of the week as the "Christian Sabbath"?
In accordance with the fourth commandment of the decalogue, given to Israel, the Jews observed the seventh day as the Sabbath; yet those Christians who claim that they keep Sunday as a day of rest in obedience to the fourth commandment have: 1) changed the day; 2) changed the manner of observing it; and 3) changed the reason for observing it. For they observe the first day, without the restrictions of the seventh day Sabbath, and because Christ rose from the dead on that day. Is this, then, really observing it? This book demonstrates that the first day of the week, the Lord's day, is the day for corporate worship, but that no day is a Sabbath for New Testament Christians. The Sabbath typified Gospel rest in the Lord Jesus Christ, and with the institution of the New Covenant, the Sabbath shadow gave way to the glorious reality.
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| 3/5/17 5:39 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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Kev wrote:
I agree with all you wrote Brother. Jesus says:
John 14:15
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
So it interests me what are the commandments Christ is talking about us to follow. I don't have room for all Acts 15. Where the apostles got together and decided what the apostles would follow, what is your take?
Acts 15
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
What do you believe God commands us to follow? I believe what Lurker said was right, what do you think?
Hey June Hey Kev JA |
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| 3/5/17 2:52 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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@John-UK . . all of grace my friend . . I'm sure you're also familiar with this lovely hymn written by Horatius Bonar that so wonderfully sets forth the work of grace in the sinner's heart . . 1 All that I was, my sin, my guilt,
My death, was all my own;
All that I am I owe to Thee,
My gracious God, alone. 2 The evil of my former state
Was mine, and only mine;
The good in which I now rejoice
Is Thine, and only Thine. 3 The darkness of my former state,
The bondage, all was mine;
The light of life in which I walk,
The liberty, is Thine. 4 Thy Word first made me feel my sin,
It taught me to believe;
Then, in believing, peace I found,
And now I live, I live! 5 All that I am, e'en here on earth,
All that I hope to be,
When Jesus comes and glory dawns,
I owe it, Lord, to Thee. JEHOVAH TSIDKENU - THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS - Jer. 23:6 JA - a sinner saved by God's amazing grace alone and looking to Him that I might
"grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ."
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| 3/5/17 12:47 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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Brother John . . Beautiful lyrics and a lovely medley
imo . . this hymn embodies that new song given to those who are the Lord's.
Ps. 40:3; Rev. 5:9 How good it is to be able to sing this lovely hymn from the heart . . that new heart . . that heart of flesh that God has given me to replace the stony heart I had before conversion. - Ez 11:19-20 For I am His and He is mine. The LORD is my portion. - Ps. 16:5; Ps. 119:57 Thanks for the advice both you and Christopher gave me months ago !
You were right; I was wrong. I have taken your sound advice. It is a much better and more profitable exercise to contemplate what Christ has done for my never dying soul than . . . JA |
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| 3/5/17 12:16 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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Jesus, thy Name I love
All other names above,
Jesus, my Lord:
O thou art all to me;
Nothing to please I see,
Nothing apart from thee,
Jesus, my Lord.Thou blessed Son of God,
Hast bought me with thy blood,
Jesus, my Lord:
O how great is thy love,
All other loves above,
Love that I daily prove,
Jesus, my Lord. When unto thee I flee,
Thou wilt my refuge be,
Jesus, my Lord:
What need I now to fear,
What earthly grief or care,
Since thou art ever near?
Jesus, my Lord. Soon thou wilt come again;
I shall be happy then,
Jesus, my Lord:
Then thine own face I'll see,
Then I shall like thee be,
Then evermore with thee,
Jesus, my Lord. |
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| 2/10/17 10:35 AM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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@ladybug . . Inasmuch as the thread is closed, at the News Item: 'Hawaii bill would legalize prostitution industry' Ralph and I want to express our deepest and heartfelt thanks for your wholehearted support of us at the discussion that ensued at the article.
We were taken aback to say the least. But then, it's always good to know where one stands. Enjoy your converse with Lurker, John-UK, et al, your "brothers in the Lord" A bit of advice . . you can take it or leave it . . watch your back . . and I'm not referring to SteveR . . Lurker defined: "to lie or wait in concealment, as a person in ambush; remain in or around a place" btw . . we aren't the "Normans" . . Norman is my husband's middle name. One final thought . . you might want to resolve the outstanding "issues" you have with John-UK before you concern yourself with ours |
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| 2/9/17 8:03 PM |
| JuneAnnette | | Holland, OH | | | |
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Kev . . And as I said . . There was nothing "mean-spirited" about my comments period. Simply an observation. I said what I meant and I meant what I said. In point of fact, I was responding to what Dave wrote. Dave | Oz wrote: "After a few years observation of this site June I've noticed.
Only a handful of people here call it how it is, the rest accuse of unloving comments.or not using tact, yet sit back to disgusting bulldust and say nothing. Where have all the men gone!" What . . no outrage over Dave's comment?
Oh I see . . selective outrage. In a word . .
Discrimination! Kev wrote:
"3. Your comment did get erased so it very well might of been seen as offensive wether you meant it that way or not." For the record, I'm offended by your condescending remarks directed at me. |
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