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Survey7/25/08 3:25 AM
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Alan H wrote:
If you believe, on the other hand, that God really is first cause, how can you reconcile that with your position? The fact is you can't...
Alan H,

The reason it is so difficult to converse with any of you calvs is because you have one context for any passage of scripture in the bible. That is you view it in the context of tulip and generally do not even consider it in the over all picture in the unfolding drama of redemption.

An example is Dale himself. He quoted this verse to me once. Ac 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
His presuppositions demanded he read the word "ordained" as "pre" - ordained.
Now he is in Acts 10 trying to be true to his calvinism and in doing so practically making a mockery out of the things that are written about Corneilus.
He was a totally depraved man who was seeking God, contrary to totally depraved men be able to seek God according to calvinism. He was not regenerated so he could do it. This is what I meant by Corneilus being the first cause.

Suddenly Dale does not have much to say and I don't blame him. This story is devastating to his preferred theology. Indefensible!


Survey7/24/08 10:37 PM
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Alan H

Your comments suggest you have not read our conversation or your are just not keeping up. Go back and read and you will se what I said. I stand by it.

Are you just as concerned that DaleJC49 is not answering my questions? A little hypocrisy never hurt anyone, huh?

Acts 10 and 11 along with acts 8 and 2 totally destroys the tulip. A totally depraved man shows up fearing God and praying. Dale wanted to say that the pharisees did the same but he did not produce a quote where it was said they feared God and worked righteousness. I guess he forgot. But God heard his prayer while he was a seeking albeit unsaved man and sent his angel to tell him what he oughtest to do.

He gave him instructions which Cornelius obeyed. "Send for Peter".
Wallah, he understood,and obeyed, being unsaved.
He is doing things the calvs says an unregenerate man can not do.

I am not going on here. I made these points to Dale. Go back and read them but beware, to show total ignorance and a disregard for the English language as Dale has been doing is just plain embarrasing.

Mrs H, (tipping my hat), I trust you are having a good evening.


Survey7/24/08 7:11 PM
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DJC49 wrote:
Without Christ, Corny would have REMAINED dead in trespasses and sins! Outside of the GRACE of God, he had no ability to seek God on his own, nor save himself through his devotion and sincerity.
I am thinking it might not be very wise of me to continue this conversation with you until I require you to read the text in a KJV. You must be using the unauthorized version.!

I do admire this about you though DJC49. You are not attempting to make your points by quoting the texts, you are merely applying your theological system to it and demanding that it teach your preconceived notions.

Way to go!


Survey7/24/08 6:13 PM
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May I be so bold as to give a clear cut scriptural example where the gospel was believed before the Spirit was received?

I direct the reader to Acts 8 and the ministry of Phillip to the Samaritans.

Ac 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.

They believed his message.

Ac 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

There is no doubt they received the word of God by believing it.

Ac 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

So, the apostles went to Samaria so the believers could receiver the Holy Ghost.

Ac 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 6a (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them

Ac 8:17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

This (the Holy Ghost) is God's gift of salvation.
Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

There is no doubt that faith in the gospel of Christ came first and the Holy Ghost was given on that basis.


Survey7/24/08 3:09 PM
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Michael H,

I lked your last question. Does your pastor study the word of God and love it. My pastor sure does. He is one of the most dedicated men I have ever met.

I have just uploaded a very wonderful message from last Sunday. It is titled "Spiritual Christians" and it is a powerful message and was a great blessing for me to hear. I invite you to listen when you have time.


Survey7/24/08 11:50 AM
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DJC49

Your theology is up against a log jam and it cannot get past it. All of the tulip breaks down in this story of Corneilus.

We have been told here that a dead man cannot repond to God and here is an unsaved man by the testimony of no less than God himself concerned about his salvation and praying to God and God responding to his prayer. You are not having a problem with what I am saying, you are having a problem justifying an errent theology in the face of biblical refutation, but you will not repent.

Here is first cause according to the story: Ac 10:2 [A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

This is what the text introduces us to.

Here is the reponse of God. You know what a response is, don't you?

4b And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

The angel was probably Jesus Christ because he called him Lord without a rebuke!

The issue here is about salvation whether you like it or not.

13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.


Survey7/24/08 11:03 AM
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DJC49,

May I respectfully say, hogwash, to your last comments. If any isegesis is going on it is being done by you. You are trying to get us to believe that God is the first cause of Corneilus salvation experience when we are told from the beginning of the story these words: 1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. He feared God and prayed first and then God sent the angel. You are trying to mislead us to think that God was the first cause by sending his angel to draw him. This is dishonest. This is what you said.

"We see Cornelius being drawn by God; his vision of an angel; the timeliness of Peter's trance;"

The whole story reenforces the doctrinal passages that say one must believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is his death, burial, and resurrection which require one to hear it first and believe it before he is saved. Even God himself could not save Corneilus until that happened!

Peter will tell you WHAT THOU OUGHTEST TO DO. There is something to do to be saved. It is hear and believe the gospel and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 16:31. READ ACTS 8 HERE!


Survey7/24/08 9:20 AM
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The Lone Wolf wrote:
When you are truly humbled by the Holy Spirit JD, you have absolutely NOTHING of yourself whereof to boast. It would compel you to fall prostrate on the ground and acknowledge how much of a wretched sinner you really are and thank Him for His marvelous grace that delivered you from the bondage, power and penalty of sin.
Why is it I don't see that coming from your camp JD?
Don't you realize what you are doing, friend. YOU ARE BOASTING in your humility and worthlessness! This is pride in the first degree. What you are essentially bragging about is that you are more humble than I am because you have this ability to ignore plain truth and wallow in mental self flaggelation and I insist on believing what God says.

The moslems use a whip and draw real blood. You should try that!


Survey7/24/08 9:05 AM
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Please, DJC49,

An unsaved man was seeking God and God heard his prayer.Ac 10:4.

Now, what was the response of God at 3:00 PM? Did he save him? Did he regenerate him? No, he sent his angel and instructed him to send for Peter. Why? The answer is here!

5b he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.

Fast forwarding, what did Peter tell him he oughtest to do?

Corneilus speaks to Peter:

33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

After explaing how God sent Jesus Christ, he told him what he oughtest to do. He oughtest to believe the gospel.

Ac 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

They received 3 things according to this text.

1. They received the word of God - Acts 11:1
2. They received the gift of the Spirit of God 10:45
3. They received remission of sins 10:43

Now, this verse clearly says which came first:

Ac 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

They heard and believed the word and the Holy Ghost fell on them. The text said they received him.


Survey7/24/08 7:06 AM
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DJC49 wrote:
You're right, JD.
DJC49

You know without me telling you that the ordo salutis is not the only doctrine of the tulip that is in trouble when compared to Acts 10 and 11. And if you will be honest, you know that these chapters unequivically informs us that Corneilus was regenerated BY FAITH in the gospel. Answering a couple simple questions should prove that in your mind.

One:
Why did God have the seeking and unsaved Corneilus to send for Peter?

I am going to help you with this answer from the text. Ac 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

Did Peter say what came first and if so, what was first according to him?

Ac 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

If faith in the death, burial, and resurrection was not the means for receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, why is this story, a whole chapter and one half, even in our bibles?

Is it there to confuse us?

There is nothing wrong with admitting your theology is wrong and making an adjustment, DJC49, but it is wrong to ignore the truth of a text, and worse, try to conform it to your adopted theology.

Do right


Survey7/23/08 8:45 AM
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I needed to add a qualifyer to my concluding statement of my last post but ran out of space. This will include the qualifyer.

Which brings me to comment that there were many OT prophets but there were few writing prophets and it is no doubt true that he is referencing and validating the words of the prophets who did not write as carryiing as much weight as those who did when he himself is quoting them . He kows what the prophets said because he put the words in their mouths.


Survey7/23/08 8:26 AM
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The story of Corneilus is devastating to the tulip. It proves that one is not regenerated so they can believe but that they believe so they can be regenerated. It proves salvation is truly in the hand of the Lord and that while Cornelius was a man who feared God and worked righteousness, he was not saved until God graciously poured out his Spirit on the gentiles and whosoever was willing, as Cornelius was, to receive him by believing the gospel of Jesus Christ, could receive remission of sins and the Holy Ghost.

No one could say that Corneilus was working for his salvation or that he had any power over God or that his will trumped the will of God. Peter said he believed God and received the Holy Ghost and was saved because God showed up at his house and all his house was saved. Now, all gentiles can be saved because God has decreed it but it takes faith in the gospel. It takes a preacher, see Ro 10:8-17 and it takes the Spirit who is everywhere. He is poured out on the gentiles. The gentiles are baptized by him meaning they are immersed by him: compare Acts 10:44-45 with Acts 11:16. Faith comes by hearing the word of God. It does not come by regeneration. The story in Acts 10 & 11 proves it. Regeneration is new life, a function of the Holy Spirit.

God so loved the world.


Survey7/23/08 7:25 AM
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Continuing with Peter's assessment of what took place in the house of Corneilus.

He thought they had received the Holy Ghost like the Jews did on Pentecost.

Ac 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Later, in Jerusalem he had to give answer to the Jewish bekievers.

13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

Now note this:

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Ac 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Now, who is going to argue against what is plainly said here.

Salvation and receiving the Spirit is one and the same. Compare V 14 with V 15.

An unsaved man was communicating with God. An angel was even sent to him to tell him what to do. Believing the gospel that Peter preached was the necessary ingredient for salvation. Faith of irself will nor save. One must believe the gospel and in that way, faith comes by hearing.


Survey7/23/08 2:18 AM
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The calvinist wrongly says that faith is the gift of God and it, faith, is given by God after the Holy Ghost is given to regenerate or quicken the pre-elect subject of God's sovereign grace so he can believe.

The Scriptures do not agree with that assessment either in its doctrinal passages or in it's historical narratives. The incident with Corneilius the gentile in Acts 10 & 11 is a quick study.

The narrative informs us that Corneilus did not have the quickening Spirit but he desired it and he prayed to God. God, meanwhile is preparing Peter as the vessel by which to cross the gospel into the realm of the gentiles.

It must be observed what the inspired book said about this unquickened man.

Ac 10:22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

Here is the summation of Peter's sermon.

Ac 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever BELIEVETH in him shall receive remission of sins.

Ac 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Next post, we will get Peter's assessment of what happened here.


Survey7/23/08 1:44 AM
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Mt 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
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Ac 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
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Mt 2:23 uses the plural, prophets, and makes the claim that more than one of them spoke and said "he shall be called a Nazarene". Acts 3:21 said God had spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets about the restitution of all things and qualifies "all" by saying "since the world began". Since the word "world" is the word "aion" and means a time frame, one must determine if he is speaking of the beginning of the age of grace which began at the resurrection of our Lord or if he is meaning time in general. Since he begins naming several OT prophets in the next verses, one can safely comnclude he is speaking generally. All of them then spoke about it but they did not all write about it.
Which brings me to comment that there were many OT prophets but there were few writing prophets and it is no doubt true that he is referencing and validating the words of the prophets who did not write as carryiing as much weight as those who did.


Survey7/23/08 1:01 AM
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The Lone Wolf wrote:
Changing the subject again are you. I asked you a simple question based on Galatians 5, and now you are on a rabbit trail. AGAIN!

JD, the only one who should be embarrassed is you. Are you now claiming that an unregenerate person can have these same spiritual ministry gifts. In the book of Galatians, Paul goes to great lengths to differentiate between the works of the flesh and the fruits of the Spirit. Faith is not listed as a work of the flesh.

Are you awake? Can you keep up? The fruits of the Spirit is what the Spirit produces in the believers life. It does not speak to how the believer received the Spirit. Galatians 3 speaks to how the Spirit is received. He is received by the hearing of faith. He is THE gift of God. He is not A gift of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Ac 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. (The hearing of faith)

Ac 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Survey7/22/08 7:26 PM
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Now, listen here to me Lone Wolf Paul says in Ga by asking a rhetorical question to these Galatians:

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Ga 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, [doeth he it] by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

If you want to rewrite the bible to suit yourself, then you will eventually get your reward for it but do not ask us sane people to fall into a trap that is in plain view.

Why do you think Peter would have dissembled with the Judaizers and required the lkeeping of the law if he believed in pre-election salvation. It would have foolish of him.

The fact is he never believed in preelection to individual salvation and neither did Paul, and neither do I.


Survey7/22/08 7:03 PM
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Eddy F wrote

Faith IS the gift of GOD.
AMEN!!!

The Lone Wolf Wrote
Actually JD, I have proved my case. I have never claimed that faith is THE gift of God, but is A gift. Salvation is THE gift of God through Jesus Christ.

The problem as I see it with all cults (And I am sorry, I do consider calvinism to be cultish) is that they go to all sorts of places to prove their doctrines that are not intended to address the subjects in that manner and ignore that God has written books that are for the purpose of expounding the doctrines of the faith.

For instance, how are sinners justified before the cross. Ro 3 and 4. How are sinners justified after the cross Ro 3 & 4 and Ga 2 & 3. It is by believing.

So, here comes a man and speaks of fruit of the Spirit and spiritual gifts for service, empowerments, if you will, and tries to equate that to salvation and make a case from that argument that should be embarrassing for someone who claims to love the word. I am speaking bluntly here because soft words and platitudes will not help this kind of blindness.

Faith is not the gift of God and no one has quoted God even hinting that it is. There is only ONE gift of God. The ministry gifts are gifts of the Spirit.


Survey7/22/08 11:18 AM
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I am sorry but "a" gift of God is not the challenge. "THE" gift of God is the challenge because that puts it in the context of salvation. Your examples are in the context of the individual functions of the body of Christ.

Jesus Christ is "THE" son of God. No one else is called "the" son of God. All born again believers are sons of God. Therefore, I am "A" son of God but not "THE" son of God.

The Holy Spirit, who is God and who is salvation is THE gift of God. Faith is not "THE" gift of God although everyone who is saved is saved by faith Ga 3:26. They receive the gift "BY" faith or "through" faith Ep 2:8 to be saved, not "UNTO" faith. The "unto" is in the context of salvation.

Ro 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

You have 11 days!


Survey7/22/08 10:24 AM
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Eddy Fying wrote:
Heb 11:30 "By faith [human faculty] the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days"
JD if you, as you keep testifying here, that you translate faith as human and not the gift of God.....
Then it's not your theology which troubles me....
It's your english comprehension.
All the verses quoted dispel the myth that faith is of human origin. And what, YOU can't read???
BTW
"He huffed and he puffed and he blew the walls down" - Is a fairy tale JD.
If you do not believe the gospel of Jesus Christ you will not be saved because every verse in the scriptures on the subject says that one must believe to be saved. He that thinks God is going to believe for him is in danger of the burning.

Re 21:8 But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Unbelief is a WORK!

and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, .... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:

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