No Christian, regardless of their stance on this issue should be named among this denomination.
2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with a woman working part-time as long as she has her husbandâs blessings. There are of course some occupations that would not be permissible, but teaching art certainly sounds okay.
John UK wrote: Frank? Interesting piece of info concerning that Lutheran church, thank you brother. That is astonishing. Just not sure why you mentioned that in response to my post. But it sure is interesting. "As a Reconciling in Christ congregation". Hmmmm, sounds like another movement, part of the ecumenical movement.
Well I donât think the forum should be used as a social platform; I use emails for that. So your post indicated that Anglican literature in those bookstores simply showed they were apostates. I was under the impression that some Anglican identified themselves as Lutheran so I felt I was somewhat on topic?
And I have never run across a religious church that actually said the things I noted on their web page. So, I just thought you would find it interesting.
John UK wrote: "The Archbishop of Canterbury is being asked replace a new ambassador to the Vatican after reports surfaced that he doesn't believe Jesus physically resurrected from death." Go into any large second-hand bookshop in the UK, go to the religion section, and you will inevitable find some very old, musty books written by Anglicans, about religious subjects. You won't have to read very much before coming to the conclusion, "This man did not know the Lord Jesus Christ."
I donât know a lot about the Lutheran church or the different kinds of Lutheran churches. The below is from the website of a Lutheran church that is very close to me. And yes, they have a sign outside that says they marry without moral stipulations.
As a Reconciling in Christ congregation, we welcome you
...without regard to race or ethnicity, income level, abilities or disabilities
...without regard to whether you own a home, rent, or are homeless
...without regard to sexual orientation or gender identity: straight, gay, lesbian, transgendered or bisexual
...without regard to age or marital status: single, married, separated, divorced, remarried, widowed or partnered.
Christopher000 wrote: Governor Cuomo of New York, held a press conference the other day to announce and promote a new abortion rights bill in the works, to loosen the murder laws, and Hillary Clinton was at his side to voice her approval. Currently, a pregnant mother-not-to-be, can only murder her baby up to 24wks following conception, in New York State. The bill he's introducing, and threatening not to sign off on a budget if not included, and approved, will allow these mothers to murder their babys right up to birth, and even for "fetal" abnormalities, but he included the word, "fatal" in there. Right up to a baby's birth, and his proposal was met with cheering, clapping, and jumping around with excitement. Barbaric, and sad.
Good comment Chris!
I wrote up two other responses and cancelled them both. Nothing was meant to be negative to you by the way! I just didn't want anyone saying I was on my feminist "soapbox" Anyway, without the women's vote, he wouldn't be Governor and without their votes, Bill C. wouldn't have been successful ergo neither would Hillary.
The thing I try to remember is there is no law that requires a woman to murder her unborn baby. At least not yet.
Jim Lincoln wrote: The evolution News and Views site gives a variety of arguments. How effective John Ankerberg has been over the years in trying to argue logically for Christianity may be up for debate, but I still think it's good that he made a stab at it. I welcome the people who try to make a rational stand for intelligent design. Some at least of the IDers in the beginning were not Christian even.
Well Jim, I didn't read the article, but I will make a comment regarding Ankerberg. Ankerberg believes and teaches what is called an Old Earth Creation. He believes life and death happened for billions of years prior Adam and Eve and the fall in the Garden. His idea of intelligent design is simply theistic evolution dressed up so Christians won't be thought of as ignorant.
And to make matters worse, his group twists scripture to coincide with so-called scientific findings.
Dr Roger Clark wrote: nothing new to "Lutherans". Ministers of this persuasion have been preaching this for years here in Germany. According to them - Jesus supposedly did not rise in his physical body but only spiritually in the "kerygma" - ie: in the Church - pace John 20;27 :- "Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thine hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing." None so blind as those who will not see.
Hey brother! Glad to see you posting.
Well if someone ever claims they have found the body of Christ, I will simply say they are deceived or they are liars.
I remember years ago reading that men will die for bad second hand knowledge, but not for bad first hand knowledge. All of His disciples died for their faith except one. When Christ appeared to His disciples; that would be âfirstâ hand knowledge.
John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD.
Christopher000 wrote: "Instead of a biblical account of Christ's return, it depicts Jesus as a failure who disappointed God by getting crucified when he first walked the earth. He is sent back to learn how to be a real Messiah by learning from the superhero "Sun-Man. An all-powerful superhero, named Sun-Man, has to share a two bedroom apartment with Jesus Christ. The conceit is that God was so upset with Jesus's performance the first time he came to Earth, since he was arrested so soon and crucified shortly after, that he has kept him locked-up since then," Sickening, blasphemous, and just one of the signs that this nation has turned against The One, in pompous defiance, who can destroy body and soul. Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Very interesting comment. I agree with everything you said. All of the societies of the world are against the Christ of scripture without exception. And He is the only one who is capable of destroying the soul.
Yes, Bourgoin! And I am glad you added "so called".
Bourgoin wrote: My question is why did the pastor post this statement. Was it out of correctional love or hate. Everything we do should be to glorify God but we all fall short in that category. That being said a church that want stand behind it's pastor because of the fear of man deserves what it gets. We need to pray for that church and the former pastor. Satan is out to kill steal and destroy. Maybe this was what it took to get this pastor away from a legalistic politically correct church.
Well said! We will probably never know much about this pastor's true motive.
1. I was informed by our other elder that he felt he could no longer follow my lead as Pastor of TBPC.
2. I was informed that essentially all but one couple in membership would leave the church if I continued as pastor of TBPC.
3. Our other elder and the couple felt that those who left would likely return if I would leave.
4. Our other elder was agreeable to stay and assume the pastoral responsibilities.
Therefore it was determined that it would be in the best interest of the local body for us (TBPC and the Hoke family) to part ways.
Well, I canât imagine why this pastor would even want to be a member or the leader of this apostate church. According to 2 and 3 above, the church leadership was only interested in the numbers. I normally refer to them as âhirelingsâ. So, I will simply say without additional knowledge that this pastor is being blessed by being kicked out. Letâs pray he is genuinely in the faith.
Thanks for the comment brother! Yes, the feminist movement is probably the most evil movement we have. It not only destroys women, but men, children, governments, cultures and especially the churches. Most churches toe the line and are very concerned about offending women who attend.
Why is it that when Pastors preach against feminism and for the necessity of married women to be submissive and obedient to their husbands as unto the Lord, they almost invariably assuage their comments by interjecting the duties of married men to love their wives as Christ loved the church and to not treat their wives as inferior or as slaves or objects in response to their submission. The usual sentence goes something like this; ânow men this doesnât give you the right to be dictatorialâ. Or worse than that is the comment that God didnât take Eve from Adamâs foot, so âŚ Some would say these folks are simply teaching the whole council of God. If that is true why is not the converse also true? Why when they teach about the roles of men do they not normally interject the roles of women in any assuaging fashion.
Men are to love their wives as Christ loves His church and women are to obey and be submissive to their husbands as unto the Lord. See that wasnât hard at all!
I have heard and read many arguments about the inadequacies of men and that society needs for them to change. Has anyone ever, and I mean ever heard any secular media say that women need to change? The only change that is ever noted is they need to become more like men. In other words, a traditional woman isnât wrong, but is the way they are because of men. The truth is that men and women who are not in Christ are both as deficient as each other.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Try rearranging the above in any way. Can someone say that Christ is the head of God or that man is the head of Christ? The answer is of course not, but society will and has said that man is not head of woman!
All of us, including myself, are guilty of furthering this abominable feminist movement. But when we recognize what is taking place, we should fight against it.
Men were designed to lead and women were designed to follow and complement men. Satan has reversed Godâs perfect design. The most common movement even in our churches is egalitarianism and it should be complementarianism.
John UK wrote: Frank, you got my drift precisely, and yes we are in agreement concerning that. If I say to you, "I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God," and you say to me, "I also believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God," then that is our confession of faith. And you can then say to me, "Blessed art thou, John UK of Wales, for flesh and blood hath not revealed this unto thee, but my Father which is heaven." And then I can say to you, "Blessed art thou, Frank of USA, for flesh and blood hath not revealed this unto thee, but my Father which is heaven." What a blessing!
People will be controlled by the antichrist and his cohorts because they loved the world more than they loved the Lord and Savior of the world.
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 13:4âAnd they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?â
Now, what tools the antichrist uses to spy on the world is something that I donât even ponder. His time will come and his time will go and he will be successful until Christ returns. I will not take any mark that requires me to worship anyone or anything that conflicts with my faith in Christ.
I donât believe anyone will be âfooledâ into taking the mark. It will reflect their spiritual condition. Notice 13:4 above says they will âworshipâ the beast.
Since I am older than most, I can only say that I remember the days when sexual purity, especially for women, was necessary. The feminist movement has simply said that if men can be immoral, then women can also be immoral. And of course that is exactly what a carnal man wants. So, to even suggest that people save sex for marriage or that fornication outside of marriage is never permissible will get you branded a religious zealot.
There is nothing that can be done to undo the promiscuous cultures of the world except the return of our blessed Lord and Savior. But, each of us is of course responsible to our Lord for the positions we take.
A creed is something that I will rarely refer to. IMO, all of the creeds that I am familiar with simply explain the positions of a like-minded group of believers. So, that would be like you doing an exegesis on a scripture or Christian thought. The important thing is like you, it doesnât align me with a group of fellow believers or a denomination. It is simply a study, just like any other.
But, these statements that periodically come up, such as the Manhattan Declaration or the Evangelicals and catholics together are things that like you, I avoid. It doesnât bother me if someone signs one of those things, but I would never do it. There are many believers who say they believe something, but their motives are to simply fit in. It is important what each of us believe in our hearts, not some statement or creed we have signed.
Mark 8:27 And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am? 28 And they answered, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets. 29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
Jesus said that He came to give man life and that life more abundantly. Scripture teaches that every good and perfect thing we receive comes down from above, from our heavenly Father. We are told to ask, seek and knock so that we may receive âgoodâ things from God. God has promised to provide for all of our needs in Christ, and has told us that He wants us to prosper, just as our soul prospers. But, note those wonderful saints in Hebrews 11:37-39 who lived the most destitute, painful lives that we can imagine, yet it also says the âworldâ was not worthy of them. Note, the world was not worthy of them, not the other way around.
Could the Lord have saved them from their suffering, of course, but He did not. Jesus Himself and His disciples were likely considered to be poor in a material sense. Jesus said the foxes had holes, but He had nowhere to lay His head. Most of the early church in all likelihood were forced to become poor as a result of becoming Christians. They were imprisoned, persecuted, hated by their loved ones, and would have been forced to flee from their earthly comforts. In other words, they became and were poor and did not love the world, otherwise they would have simply denied their faith and whatever fortunes they had would have been reinstated.
As far as I know, the Three Self Movement is simply a communist sponsored church. I think in the beginning, many joined it because they felt it would be better to be able worship with government restrictions than to not publicly worship at all. IOW, they compromised the worship of our Lord. Of course, I disagree with that premise and believe that obeying Godâs word is the only thing that is spiritual. When the tribulation finally comes to this world, all false churches will adhere to this thought process. Those that donât will be forced into house churches or killed for the sake of Christ.
Under communism in Romania the government controlled and approved sermons. They also had rules for baptism, when churches could meet, etc.
Notice the below usage of the word âallâ.
Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.