The Quiet Christian wrote: That's a great point, Been Watching. It seems like we are so wonderfully and fearfully made that even after many years of work, the secrets of making people better still belongs too often only to the Lord who made and sustains us. Hope you weren't mixed up with that disaster in Toronto today.
Ugh...wasn't that something? Smells like a Muslim attack again. White skinned, but that doesn't mean anything anymore.
We forage as a family and even have our own Etsy store where we sell our herbs and such. It's phenomenal to see the amounts of nutrients in weeds! They far out-perform anything in the grocery stores. And it's all there for the taking, just as God decreed.
Youth in Asia wrote: Anyone who does any sort of youth group can tell you that is wrong. Church going as just as ignorant about life as anyone else.
I think the main thing about this is a lot of religious (Christian) households are more strict than others. Not all by any means. Just look at homeschooling homes. These kids are by far the most disciplined and well behaved children because of the structure they have at home. I knew kids in school that came from reformed families and they were always the best dressed (neat and tidy), well behaved and excelled at their studies. There is a coloration under the right circumstances.
The Quiet Christian wrote: We know a lot of folks who are afraid to see a doctor but neither the diagnosis not the bill are the reason. They don't trust the doctors, who don't provide much but another prescription of maintenance medications. Nothing gets healed anymore, just maintained. Obamacare made it worse. When revenue overprioritizes healing, there's a problem. And the health food stores, essential oil peddlers, and vitamin sellers are raking it in right now as a result. Is it any wonder that no one really trusts anyone he or she doesn't know very well? Just more evidence that truth lies stone cold dead in the streets.
A doctor friend told my wife and I once: "When we leave medical school, our teachers tell us, '50% of what we have taught you is wrong. Problem is, we don't know which 50% it is yet.'"
Yikes...yeah like I'm trusting any medical professional for anything. Learn to live and eat healthy and you'll cancel out a good portion of your problems and potential problems.
James Thomas wrote: Bro, Just make attempt to serve Him to the opportunity presented with an open book and an open mind and let Him lead. And Be teachable. Repeat.
‚ÄúThe trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.‚ÄĚ
As long as anything we learn from scripture or others for that matter, draws us to God, and not away from Him. It's all about Him in this world and our aim should be always to brings Him the glory He so richly deserves.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Hybels and Warren have a lot in common as this article points out excerpt from [URL=http://tinyurl.com/y97djy99]]]http://tinyurl.com/y97djy99 (The Gospel According to Hybels & Warren)[/URL] "The philosophy that marries marketing technique with church growth theory is the result of bad theology. It assumes that if you package the gospel right, people will get saved. It is rooted in Arminianism, which makes the human will, not a sovereign God, the decisive factor in salvation...."---John MacArthur
ladybug wrote: Watcher, Your assessment is spot on. When scripture is given to refute error, the response to that fits what you've described. Rather than accept correction, some attack the person with unwarranted accusations. Repentance of such sinful actions should always follow, sadly, it seldom does. 'Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you. Give instruction to a wise man and he will be still wiser, Teach a righteous man and he will increase his learning'- Proverbs 9:8,9 May the elect of God walk humbly with Him, accepting correction and cry out to God to smite besetting sin[s], including fleshly pride that we ALL must battle against.
It's amazing to me to see Christians shout from the rooftops about imitating Jesus Christ, yet, when they are rebuked for error, pride, etc., the immediately fall back on their human natures and start attacking. I have gone to God many times regarding this, because it's a part of my nature that I hate. I have learned though to ask God to open my eyes to my sin and error, and if rebuke fits, then I will change and apologize. It's difficult in this day and age of political correctness, where no one dares step on anyone's toes in fear of offence.
James Thomas wrote: I think most would agree the answer being Scripture alone. Teachers thereof though... How do we determine the thought of a man to be truth? Scripture. So what gives? I've heard the phrase "my heart is an open book" which I would surmise as having the ability to have something new written in it. A closed book cannot be written in. Open books can. An open heart/book imo can be pictured as Psalm 51:17. Can we learn from Scripture Alone? Yes is the answer! Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:..
I think a really big problem with humans in general is the fact we get offended and defensive when we are corrected. Instead of taking the correction to heart and seeing if we can apply it to our lives, we get our noses out of joint and shoot back. This is not Christ-likeness at all. And yes, before someone calls me self-righteous, I am talking to myself as well.
Christopher000 wrote: Thanks Watcher, I'm a big fan of learning and it's not only interesting hearing perspectives from others, but just as interesting to find out how they arrived at various conclusions, by using scripture alone, which is all I'm interested in. I think it's beyond amazing how the church is divided into so many factions, considering that we all read, study, and learn from the same exact book of the words of God. Hope the rest of your day is good...
I think what matter is where our attitude is when we do study the scriptures. Take Spurgeon. He loved the Bible and cherished it because it was God's love letter to him. Take Copeland. He loves the Bible because it has given him the means to fleece the sheep and become one of the richest men alive.
The Bible can be used as a means to someone's ends, or as it should be treated, God's word to us, to instruct us and teach us to imitate Jesus and to be conformed to His very image.
I find too many Christians go to the Bible to back up and defend their viewpoints rather than going to the Bible to see if they need to change their opinions based on what the Bible teaches. One brings God glory through obedience, the other is glorifying self.
Christopher000 wrote: By the way, John, I'm not saying you'll agree with me, in full, or even in part, but it's what I've gathered from scripture alone over time. Unfortunately, I'm one of the few who doesn't have everything figured out just yet, but I'm always listening.
Totally agree Christopher. I want to learn and as I said, I have spent much time in prayer over this and other issues, because I don't want to be wrong and steal away from my testimony and God's glory. However, I just can't bring myself to believe that God gets glory over sharing the throne with man. Just seems wrong, especially when compared to scripture. It'd be nice to communicate with you on this subject off this forum. Perhaps we can both learn from each other.
ladybug wrote: 'The ‚ÄúSovereign drug, Arminianism,‚ÄĚ which said the Jesuit, ‚Äúwe (i.e. we Papists) have planted‚ÄĚ in England, did indeed bid fair ‚Äúto purge our Protestant Church effectually. How merrily Popery and Arminianism, at that time, danced hand in hand, may be learned from Tindal: ‚ÄúThe churches were adorned with paintings, images, altar-pieces, & etc. and, instead of communion tables, alters were set up, and bowings to them and the sacramental elements enjoined. The predestinarian doctrines were forbid, not only to be preached, but to be printed; and the Arminian sense of the Articles was encouraged and propagated.‚ÄĚ10 The Jesuit, therefore, did not exult without cause. The ‚Äúsovereign drug,‚ÄĚ so lately ‚Äúplanted,‚ÄĚ did indeed take deep root downward, and bring forth fruit upward, under the cherishing auspices of Charles and Laud. Heylyn, too, acknowledges, that the state of things was truly described by another Jesuit of that age, who wrote: ‚ÄúProtestantism waxeth weary of...‚ÄĚ -A. Toplady
And those here will gaze at this truth blindly, and then throw out a defensive retort to shift the blame away to placate their guilty consciences. Sad.
I guess the crux of the problem, dear sister, is this: man in his sin and pride will never bow his knee to the sovereignty of God unless the Holy Spirit empowers him to. Until then it will be nothing more than a foolish idea to him, and he will translate it into us being robots. We are not robots. We have a responsibility and a accountability to God. Romans 9 tells us this when Paul argues, "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?" Paul answers back, "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"
What does this mean? Isn't it saying that God is the Potter and we are His clay? Does the Potter have power over the clay? Or does the clay have power to say no?
Let's drop the pride and start looking at this in the proper way. The Bible is full of passages that point to the sovereignty and control of God over man and nature. I have included many that have been disregarded. I pray those here spend time in prayer and examine themselves to see if they are indeed in error. I have.
Frank wrote: I couldn't agree with you more. I refer to Trump as an immoral buffoon. Let me just add that if Trump ever does the right thing, it will always be for the wrong reason. Thanks for your comment!
I said it back when he was running. I said he would fool everyone that needed to be fooled in order to get elected, and little at a time, he would show his true colors. He's a con-man through and through and people will look back at his presidency and shake their heads in disgust.