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USER COMMENTS BY “ ROGERANT ”
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Survey3/10/09 7:55 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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Bible only wrote:
I have you PEGGED! Your Rogerant alias nearly had me fooled! You parade around SA as DJC49, pagan understanding, Rogerant, pew view, RR, FTGOG and ?
So much for your disingenous claim that you were not identifying me with C.U!
Perhaps some others on this board can educate CU on whether anyone else thinks that DJC, rogerant, Pagan Understanding, pew view, RR and FTGOG are the same person.

PS There are ways to get around back to back posts. So that argument doesn't prove anything.

And Mike. Isn't this your Pelagian post?

Here's the imo's:

#1) The will is affected, not erased. marred, not destroyed. The will remains free after the Fall. Adam and Eve immediately died spiritually, yet still heard and responded to the voice of God by hiding from Him


Survey3/10/09 6:53 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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The Heresy of Free Will wrote:
What is frustrating but revealling about the Free Will religion is that they must weaken, reduce or modify SIN to achieve their presumed salvation.
Thereby do they make manifest the error of their doctrine.
Please do not confuse our Arminian *cough* brothers with the clearly heretical PELAGIANS (Mike New York) and SEMI-PELAGIANS (RCC's)on these boards.

It really does insult those who are Arminian Free Willies


Survey3/10/09 6:07 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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Mike wrote:
So Arminius was not an "Arminian type Free Willer" I wonder what Pew View thinks of that?

You asked: "Then since your answer to John's 2nd question is a definite no, the problem with man is that he will not come from a free choice?"
I'm a believer in "will not" as opposed to "cannot." But I'm open to better understanding of the fallen Adam and Eve responding to God's voice.

YOUR position is that one of Pelagius. That man's will is not corrupted by the fall.

Arminius taught that mans will was corrupted by the fall. But, the Holy Spirit since the fall restores man's ability through "prevenient grace", a supernatural act of God that draws man to believe in the Gospel. Yes, he and Wesley taught that it was possible for man to resist this prevenient grace, even though there is a total lack of scriptural support for it.

Your position, and that of Pelagius is that a supernatural work of the Holy Spirit is NOT required since man has not lost is ability.

Your position has been condemned by every evangelical church and is only shared by the JW's, Cambpellites and Mormans. Even the RCC church has condemned your view in more church councils than can be mentioned.


Survey3/10/09 12:11 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon SASKATCHEWAN Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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Mike wrote:
Sorry for the Delay, John. Spent yesterday day at the courthouse, along with 115 others from which were selected 12 jurors for a criminal trial. I wasn't one of those selected. Many are called, but few are chosen. (in accordance with the foreknowledge of the attorneys as to the requirements necessary)
Here's the imo's:
#1) The will is affected, not erased. marred, not destroyed. The will remains free after the Fall. Adam and Eve immediately died spiritually, yet still heard and responded to the voice of God by hiding from Him.
Genesis 3:8
"And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden."
These fallen creatures heard God's voice, (how?)responded by hiding themselves, then by showing themselves. They chose to hide of their own free will, knowing who they were hiding from and why. It was not that they could not do otherwise.
#2) Definitely no.
Please note Mike: Your definition of how mans will was affected after the fall is clearly Pelagion. It is in no measure even Arminian. Even Wesley and Arminius would consider the position that you just described as being heretical.

Survey3/10/09 11:26 AM
rogerant | Saskatoon SASKATCHEWAN Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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Bible only wrote:

"Pagan understanding" a.k.a. DJC49, you are beginning to sound like a madman. I think you'd better lay down and have someone take your temperature pretty quick
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You'd better stick with yours, as odious as it sounds. What does it mean?
Just FYI. I, unlike others, freely admit if I post under a different alias.

I am Pagan Understanding!

And I only post under this alias when Calvinist Understanding missrepresents his, (YOUR) true identity. This can be verified by accessing Pagan Understandings history of blogs.


Survey3/9/09 2:57 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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Bible only wrote:
Read John Gill (Calvin agrees with him). Nothing here to do with salvation
To a fool

You are to kind.

Do you remember some FOOL making this remark.

This is typical philosophical baloney!

Do you want to back this up with any Bible verses? Or are you just going to stick with the infallible Calvin and Gill


Survey3/9/09 2:39 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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Bible only wrote:
Hey, look what I found, using Rogerant's eisegesis: a verse that speaks of the regeneration of the beast and the young raven
“He giveth to the beast his food, and to the young ravens which cry,” (Psalm 147:9.)
Now listen Pew View, RR or whatever other moniker you choose, don't confuse me with anyone else.
That was just feeble

Oh I see. David, then was able to trust God from the womb. By natural ability then? Wouldn't trusting God speak of salvation? "I was cast upon thee from the womb"

Your verses in regards to providing natural sustenance to the beasts and the ravens. How can you confuse TRUSTING God that brings about salvation, and the natural susenance of ravens?

If Psalm 22 and 71 do not relate to saving trust, what do they say?


Survey3/9/09 1:54 PM
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Bible only wrote:
This is typical philosophical baloney!
Do you want to back this up with any Bible verses? Or are you just going to stick with the infallible Berkhof
Psalm 22:4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them. They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded. But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts. I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

Psalm 71:5 For thou art my hope, O Lord GOD: thou art my trust from my youth. By thee have I been holden up from the womb: thou art he that took me out of my mother's bowels: my praise shall be continually of thee.

How are those Bible Only, or was that Illogical? Or, I thought you were going to be away for a few months CU?


Survey3/9/09 12:52 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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John UK wrote:
As I've said all along, the order is found in these verses of the Bible:
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 KJV (13) But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: (14) Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The gospel is preached to all. In some, the Spirit sets them apart for God and enlightens them as to the truth. They believe the gospel and appropriate the benefits of The Cross through faith. Saved!
By grace are ye saved THROUGH faith...
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved... Acts 16:31
You can't just use one verse like this one to determine the order or salvation because it does not make distinction between the gospel (outward call) and the effectual (inward) call. Nor does it make distinction between primary and secondary causes in salvation.

Survey3/9/09 12:37 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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The relative order of calling and regeneration. 1. Logically, the external call in the preaching of the Word generally precedes or coincides with the operation of the Holy Spirit, by which the new life is produced in the soul of man. 2. Then by the creative word God generates the new life, changing the innner disposition of the soul, illuminating the mind, rousing the feelings, and renewing the will. In this act of God the ear is implanted that enables man to hear the call of God to the salvation of his soul. 3. Having received the spiritual ear, the call of God in the gospel is now heard by the sinner as is brought home effectively to the heart. The desire to resist has been changed to a desire to obey, and the sinner yeilds to the persuasive influence of the Word through the operation of the Holy Spirit.

Now we should not make the mistake of regarding this logical order as a temporal order that will apply in all cases. The new life is often implanted in the hearts of children long before they hear the call of the gospel; yet they are endowed with this life only where the gospel is preached.

Regeneration and Effectual Calling

Louis Berkof


Survey3/9/09 12:05 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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(Quote)

[AUTHOR]Certainty[/AUTHOR]
What's that supposed to mean? [/QUOTE][URL=http://calvinistflyswatter.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_archive.html]]]Divisive Flyswatter[/URL]

Good Morning CU:

Now I can understand your preoccupation with regeneration preceding faith. What is this supposed to mean?

Reading through this fellows post it looks like the only thing this fellow is for is the veneration of Spurgeon. Otherwise he is nothing but a divisive force in the body preocuppied with his narrow view of man's timeline on regeneration and faith happening simulatneously. And those who believe otherwise are heterodox hyper Calvinists.

Well here is a quote from one of my "hyper" friends.

The calling of God may be said to be one (effectual calling and regeneration), and the distinction between an external and an internal or effectual calling merely calls attention to the fact that this one calling has two aspects. This does not mean that these two aspects are always united and always go together.

Louis Berkhof, from his Systematic Theology.


Survey3/6/09 9:54 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon, Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
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Calvinist Understanding wrote:
[URL=http://calvinistflyswatter.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_archive.html]]]Bob Ross, Spurgeon and Regeneration[/URL]
You will have to scroll down to his blog entry dated Friday, March 17, 2006 entitled "Bob Ross: Regeneration -- Calvinism".
Now I can understand your preoccupation with this whole issue about regeneration before faith issue that has dominated this forum. This blog site explains it all.

Survey3/6/09 5:51 PM
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Michael Hranek wrote:
ml
No. I disagree with you DJC49 and Rogerant have indeed raked many over the reformed coals and it is quite sad they would choose to do so with a gracious humble lady such as lyn. And I believe you have been quite unkind to her to equate their continual sarcasm and the way they have in attempting to tear a person down as just their way of debating. IMHO they could care less if they edified a brother or sister but rather or not they win the "debate" etc.
Rats! I have been found out

Oh well, since everyone knows, I must head home from work now to restock and stoke my coal fired altar.

Have to keep it nice and hot, for the likes of Servetus and all of his ilk

[URL=http://www.clipartheaven.com/clipart/holidays/halloween/costume-grim-reaper-clipart.gif]]]rogerant on his way home from work![/URL]


Survey3/6/09 2:57 PM
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lyn wrote:
I have respect for this man, he has a doctorate in theology. Tell us Rogerant, do you hold such a doctorate? Have you been faithfully preaching the word of God for over 40 years?
I grow tired of your constant attacks on everyone on this forum who disagrees with you. You seem to be unable to see the log in your own eye, yet, you do not hesitate to desperately try and remove everyone elses' 'speck'.
Your repeated attacks against J.M. concerning 'lordship salvation' were addressed on another thread, someone gave a link stating the accusation was wrong. May God be merciful.
1) Pope Benedict XVI also has quite the academic career and has been preaching for over 40 years. He to is very popular and probably has a larger following and a larger radio audience than JM.

His academic career can be found here:

[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI]]]HIs Worship[/URL]

2) If one traces your blogging history we can see your constant attacks on Lance, John Yurich and GG, for not having their theology quite right.

So, maybe someone could provide you with a tower crane to climb down off of your horse.

May God be merciful, how humble.


Survey3/6/09 1:53 PM
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lyn wrote:
the 'reformed camp' targets MacArthur only because he does not hold to their views on eschatology.
WRONG, and MISSLEADING

We do not target MacArthur only because he does not hold to our view on eschatology. I never have. I could not care less whether someone is historic pre mill, amill or postmill.

Our problem is not with Jm himself. As I said before, he is a very gifted brother in the Lord.

It is the abberant soteriological teaching on the Lordship salvation of Christ that results from dispensational doctrines. The two abberations that flow from dizzy teaching are antinominsim and legalism.

So, we differ on soteriology (the doctrine of salvation) not just eschatology.

And your passionate defense of JM and none of the other saints who's teachings are condemned on this board reminds me of: "one of you says, I follow John MacArthur"!


Survey3/5/09 8:34 PM
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Lyn wrote:
The Lord God has used John MacArthur in a mighty way. Prayerfully Rogerant, you may be able to say the same about yourself, as soon as you climb down off your high horse. What knowledge you may have has puffed you up, and all who think outside your box are 'shipwrecked'. Praise God, He alone knows the heart of man.
Why do you and Candle Lit always show up whenever JM's name pops up? Do you search for his name to defend him? I don't see you scolding anyone else when they drag my preachers through the dirt. We don't see you coming to Calvin's defense do we? Yes you defend YOUR theology with a passion. But you immediately attack those who don't agree with you and charge them with self righteousness and riding a high horse.

Is that fair?

You can find the humility of your pastor here ridiculing reformed folk.

http://kimriddlebarger.squarespace.com/a-reply-to-john-macarthur/


Survey3/5/09 8:07 PM
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Lyn wrote:
The Lord God has used John MacArthur in a mighty way. Prayerfully Rogerant, you may be able to say the same about yourself, as soon as you climb down off your high horse. What knowledge you may have has puffed you up, and all who think outside your box are 'shipwrecked'. Praise God, He alone knows the heart of man.
My quote:

MacArthur is a very popular and gifted preacher in the U.S.

A popular and gifted preacher. He is probably the most sound grammatical-historical dispensationalist preachers in the U.S. I consider him as being a brother in the Lord. He boasts that he is a dispensationalist and he criticizes his reformed brethren. If he dishes it out, he can expect correction back. John asked me a question about him, I answered.

As for being shipwrecked on an island, it is the same for anyone who does not define himself as being "united" by any objective testimony outside of his own congregation. He does not even subscribe to the London Baptist Convention. He isn't even identified with any of the rest of the dispensationalists out there. Like john of UK stated. He can't find any doctrinal position stated on his website. It is very weak.


Survey3/5/09 5:38 PM
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John UK wrote:
John MacArthur is a dispensationalist? What, like CI Scofield? Is this true? I know nothing about this gentleman, so I would like to know where he stands on this.
p.s. I appreciated your testimony very much.
Not as bad as Scofield, but yes he is a dispensationalist. His method of hermineutics is Historical-Grammatical rather than Historical-Redemptive. His framework of Biblical revelation is based upon the 7 dispensations rather than on the two covenants.

MacArthur is a very popular and gifted preacher in the U.S. but he is a dizzy. It is hard to tell what he believes on his website. He does not point to any confessions or creeds that he adheres to, so it is hard to pin him down on what he actually believes.

[URL=http://www.gty.org/Resources/]]]Grace to You Ministries[/URL]


Survey3/5/09 5:10 PM
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Mike wrote:
btw, the 5 points being of Dordt, not Calvin, whence cometh 5 point Calvinists?
Whence cometh the 5 point Calvinists?

From those who think they are 4 point Calvinists, who in essence are...

Arminians

Those who consider themselves as believing in particular atonement are Reformed.

Those few who consider themselves as being 5 point dispensensationalists like John MacArthur are but shiprecked on small islands.


Survey3/5/09 4:51 PM
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ml wrote:
Hi Rogerant, thanks for your testimony.
Do you believe the Spirit was convicting you of sin, of righteousness and of judgement before you were regenerated? (Joh 16:8)
No, I did not feel the conviction from the law. I had long since left the RCC and was basically an atheist. An event came into my life where I lost my wife and she took flight with my children. I gave up on life altogether. I was only looling for what ever meaning that I could find, as I was contemplating pulling the plug.

The "sign" I was talking about was the return of my children. I then, felt that I owed God a response. And that was that I would seek him out. I ended up in a Bible believing church near my home in Portland. Everyone seemed healthy (psychologically) and had a joy that I never experienced before. I enjoyed church and reading the Bible, but I really didn't want to have anything to do with this Jesus guy. That just seemed to uncool. But then came the sinking feeling tht He was who He claimed to be. I put my Bible down on stopped reading it for a while, and was very upset. But then, I knew I had to make a decision way or another. Embrace Him as master, or perish.

And now, what a glorious savior! What a blessing!

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