I listened to Ralph Ovadal: 'Heart of the Matter' [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=102910212345]]]Here[/URL]
He has an interesting look at New Calvinism and the strange clamour over converted Rap artists, particularly this 'Muzak', where Pastor Ovadal makes the correct comment that it is the butchering of the English language. [URL=http://endued.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/music-review-of-lecraecalvinist-rapper-getting-crunk-referencing-john-owen-john-piper-and-morewow/]]]Calvin Rapper[/URL]
I was a teenager in the Punk Rock era and wouldn't have expected an attempt at christianising that genre; rap came from the world rather than the Holy Bible...strange to see new Calvinists promoting it and loving the new version and Indie artists! So should the Bible be brought down to the rap level comprehension?
The sermon mentions a 7 year old boy in England without Christian parents wanting to read nothing but scripture, should he be given the calvinistic butcher's rap or the KJV and educated upwards? His parents took scripture information from the following church
I thought Jim was the authority on Bible translations?
There was an earlier comment re: extreme charismatic Pentecostals and Mormons etc. using the KJV-seemingly to denigrate that version. Remember the watchtower Society abandoned the KJV and the Mormons supplement the KJV with their own satanic revelations. The Russellites (JW's) began when C T Russell used the KJV at a time when the KJV was THE Protestant Bible-so they had to eventually abandon it because of I Timothy 3: 16 etc.
To carry on the illusion that they remain mainstream Protestant many pentecostals hold to the KJV, even the extremists and TV evangelists
I don't know about the USA, but the ecumenical churches in the UK use a modern version (often the NIV), that must be 1000's of churches. Even with an easy to read modern version they remain blind to the Truth. To follow illogical logic, the ecumenists should really be using the KJV as they are the apostates blinded to God's revelation so must keep their adherents blinded by the old Elizabethan speak
Yet the most vocal Christ Glorifying evangelistic gospel witness in the UK is Protestantism and still using the KJV. Check out the UK sermons on sermonaudio! Any explanations?
Note below a Greek Christian Fellowship in the UK who like the Trinitarian Bible Society hold to the KJV being the 'most accurate' based on 'the best manuscripts', hence promoting the use of that Bible, note GREEK being their original tongue, though it isn't our own. Quote: "Extremism (KJO) is an embarrassment to those who prefer to use the Authorised Version and a stumbling block to those we wish to persuade to adopt the best English translation."
http://bethelwimbledon.com/archives/category/bible-translation "It is the most accurate English translation based on the best manuscripts i.e. Greek Textus Receptus and Hebrew Masoretic texts. However, it is not perfect and contains a few minor errors."
http://www.westcotthort.com/faqs.html Westcott and Hort Resource Centre has W&H quotes in context, but not all. It is the W&H theory that is the problem. The US Fundamentalist KJO'ism will have the same problems with the KJV translators...see
http://www.corkfpc.com/cloud2cor11v3calvinism.html David Cloud and the KJV Translators.
http://www.corkfpc.com/kjvcalvinism.html Calvinism and the KJV controversy.
let us beware of extremism on both sides! "Reliable", "accurate" and "the best" surely must be our goal!!
".Leland Ryken, literature professor at Wheaton College and a member of the translation oversight committee of the English Standard Version, labeled the CEB's title "ironic," saying ***numerous versions have created a lack of common understanding of Scripture***.
"With the proliferation of Bibles, the public has become ***confused***," Ryken said. "There's no longer a genuine search to find an authentic Bible." [URL=http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/septemberweb-only/49-41.0.html]]]Good News Glut Christianity Today[/URL]
Hmm that is one from your own side- ESV member of their translation committee telling us there is a BIG problem with a multiplicity of versions? How come Scott and Jim cannot see what is so very obvious?
Recall my post the other day about ***CONFUSION*** and you have a modern translator echoing that point? With respect I would have more interest if there was a concentrated scholarly effort to provide the ONE most accurate Bible translation
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?keyword=authorised%20version]]]sermons by Mohon and Silversides[/URL]
We do have ONE tried and tested reliable Bible for the 21st Century as the sermons above explain...but some will never like to acknowledge that and cling to their multiversion confusion
'Christian publisher Zondervanâ€™s 2010 catalog of Bibles (â€śThe Book of Good Booksâ€ť) runs 223 pages and includes Bibles tailored toward black children, students, spiritual seekers, women with cancer, busy dads, new moms, recovering addicts, surfers, grandmothers and camouflage enthusiasts...In the process, â€śthe Bible loses its identity as the authoritative word of God and becomes something trivial, on par with shoes for hikers or luggage for the international set.â€ť
[URL=http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/22/2344206/how-many-versions-of-the-bible.html]]]How Many Bibles Do We Need?[/URL]
Have a read of the above interesting recent news article my 'barbarian' USA brethren!
Q: Why promote a mutiplicity of versions and not ONE COMMON BIBLE VERSION for the English speaking folk? Why so difficult to have ONE common Bible version?
Prof Dawkins (yes that one!) speaking on the KJV [URL=http://www.kingjamesbibletrust.org/news/q/date/2010/02/19/richard-dawkins-lends-his-support-to-2011-trust/]]]Here[/URL]
We should be praying that if Dawkins is so familair with the language of the KJV that the Lord would bring some word of conviction to his heart and save this great enemy of the TRUTH.
The Record wrote: People Who Want To Emphasis FACTS With ALL CAPITAL LETTERS ! [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/comments_view.asp?currPage=1&localsection=detail&whichtype=&keyword=A+Bible+Christian+Who+Believes&onlyname=true]]]Yes we all remember[/URL]
Tony; A Bible Christian Who Belives; JV;....'FACTS'
Michael Hranek wrote: These "ONLYists" in my words actually hinder people from in good conscience using the KJV
wherewillitend wrote: #1 This never-ending monotonous version debate,will it never end?
The real question is why did it ever begin?
Michael raises an interesting point, but who really hinders even from the beginning?
Would Satan be the author of confusion and the persuader of even good men?
Have we ever thought that there is a camp who wrongly emphasise the KJV like Ruckman and Ripplinger etc? Ever asked WHY? Ever thought that satan hates the Reformation text and therefore the KJV and works from within wrongly promoting? Ask WHY?
Then there is a camp who rejects the KJV but rather than promote a next BEST ACCURATE new English translation, they muddy the water promoting ANY 'new' modern version will do and is better than the KJV.
But that isn't true. Why would a Pastor do such IF he had really studied all the issues? Dr White=NASB, Piper=ESV etc. Even the big names do not agree.
Have a listen to: They're no Puritans! Profiles in New Calvinism
Jim Lincoln wrote: So, the [A]nglican [V]ersion is something I won't even consider using on SermonAudio. 1[/URL]
Well done Jim...you are crowned the sermonaudio Bible scholar and expert, so we all bow to your own views
But why was Sermonaudio commenced by an AV user in the first place? You must surely glorify in God's good providence seeing it is where you spend much of your time? No NASB websites where you can find fellowship
Why are most of the sermons on sermonaudio from churches so abundantly blessed of God, yet using a version you won't even consider?
In God's providence you could always post here and see what scholarly reaction your strange posts will merit, for I have heard few brethren with views as extreme as your own even if they do not use the AV:
John UK wrote: Within hours of arrival at my destination I had the opportunity to witness to a JW for about half-hour. Good job our Bible has got 1 Tim 3:16 absolutely spot on. And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
[URL=http://www.scionofzion.com/esv_exposed.htm]]]Worth a look[/URL]
Comparing the JW version above
KJB - King James Bible ESV - English Standard Version NWT - New World Translation of the Jehovahâ€™s Witnesses NAB - New American Bible of the Roman Catholic Church
Makes your hair curl
Look at my ealier post and see the Trinitarian Bible Society Video deal with similar...it needs to be studied BEFORE you chuck your KJV in the waste bin
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sid=1014101354504]]]Treason Charges Against Modern Versions Part 1[/URL]
For any who have imbibed all the Dr James White arguments, but wish to see why other Reformed brethren disagree with him (but who are not Ruckmanites), why not view the above recently preached sermon video by a speaker from the Trinitarian Bible Society and then watch the other 4 videos
It is best to understand why brethren hold to the AV and then there is no cause for any to continually offer up an army of straw men. The above videos might even prove convincing to those who have no idea that there is a Reformed Trinitarian Bible Society with all connected holding to the doctrines of grace! View the videos first and THEN please comment, the one above is a very good start
Nathan wrote: People I find are terribly uneducated
George Whitefield had a simliar experience but...
'He told his friend John Wesley of his plan to begin "field-preaching." Wesley thought the scheme insane..
Before long, however, a scheduled execution brought it about. Whitefieldâ€™s heart had been broken by the coalminers at Kingswood, Bristol â€“ men as violent as they were vulgar. Once the date for the hanging had been set the miners began anticipating the celebrations surrounding the entertainment. When the murder "cheated" them of their amusement by committing suicide, the miners dug up the corpse and partied around it.
They and their families were 100 percent illiterate, stuck in a degradation that defies description. Whitefield walked among them, in full clerical attire, and began speaking to them from Matthew 5: "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Thoroughly despised and contemptuously shunned, these people found in Whitefield someone who loved them and therefore did not fear them. Grimy with caked-on dirt and coated in coal dust as they were, Whitefield wrote of them in his diary that as he preached he saw "the white gutters made by their tears down their black cheeks."
Great Sermon! 'My brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. â€” I will go in the strength of the Lord GOD: I will make mention of thy righteousness, even of thine only. â€” The gospel of Christ ... is the power of God unto salvation.
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. â€” I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily. â€” We have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
The joy of the Lord is your strength. â€” Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness.'
From this morning's Daily Light
What a blessing and encouragement to hear Christ's beloved servant glorifying God in the midst of his infirmity. I pray Rev Greer will know the strengthening hand of the Lord and His daily encouragements as he makes a full recovery after the heart attack. God bless