How is that Erik's assertion falls short of the truth? We are getting very far off the mark. No one is denying that God is love.
Here, let us have more of the Holy Spirit's words written by Paul in Galatians:
"For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another..."
That liberty is not license to do what we please but what God pleases. Christ died for our sins to atone for them, he paid what we owed God, and he justified us. But now we are not to assume that we can live as we please but as God pleases. And those Ten Commandments are what he pleases for us to do. "But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation." 1 Peter 1:15
Beloved, there is such a thing as gospel obedience to the law of God. Yes, Jesus fulfilled all the righteousness of all law because we cannot possibly do it. Obeying the moral law of God does not merit us righteousness - we can only have that through the blessed Son of God. The Ten Commandments define what love is, see Romans 13: 8-10: Matthew 22:37-40. "If ye love me keep my commandments." John 14:15
However, what gospel obedience means is rather well defined by a preacher named Thomas Watson:
"To obey the law in a legal sense - to do all the law requires - no man can. Sin has cut the lock of original righteousness, where our strength lay; but, in a true gospel sense, we may so obey the moral law as to find acceptance. This gospel obedience consists in a real endeavour to observe the whole moral law. 'I have done thy commandments' (Psa cxix 166); not, I have done all I should do, but I have done all I am able to do; and wherein my obedience comes short, I look up to the perfect righteousness and obedience of Christ, and hope for pardon through his blood. This is to obey the law evangelically; which, though it be not to satisfaction, yet it is to acceptation."
- From The Ten Commandments by Thomas Watson, 1692
Where does right and wrong come from? Who says? Christians know that God says...
Why would any Christian support a government that negates God's law? Presently civil governments around the world do...the prince of this world is currently working and that is why they are making us look at and approve their sodomy.
Though we have the holy Scriptures presently in the vulgar tongues we are not done yet. The church must speak the same thing. Satan is still confusing the truth amongst us. I would not be too happy about our present state.
Some questions are very difficult to answer because they come from a false premise.
Are we to suppose that all the will of God is explicitly stated in his Word?
I have already answered where the Scripture proofs are for what I have stated that I believe to be true to the Word of God concerning the ceremonial law. If you do not believe me I cannot force you.
It is very difficult also to argue the decreetive and preceptive will of God in this forum. Certainly we pray that God's Kingdom Come and that his will would be done here on earth as it is in heaven.
I do have a lawful calling and I need to be diligent in it and so I was not free to go on answering your questions.
I think all are agreed that Sodomy is an abomination to God. That is very explicit in his Word, though many would argue against it. If we indeed read and meditate upon Romans 1 I think we would all agree with Erik that sodomy is a sin which develops from atheism, which is widely tolerated in the world despite the fact that we claim Christ is our King.
Yes, Unprofitable Servant, the Westminster Confession of Faith is a subordinate standard to the Bible.
I disagree with you that the verses cited do not teach that there was a time when there was a ceremonial law which is no longer to be practiced.
I do not believe that thou hast had proper time to meditate upon those verses cited. Prayer is also very helpful in asking God to guide us. But without the Holy Ghost we will remain in confusion. So I beg thee to consider these things carefully as they are the things of the one true living God.
For Unprofitable Servant (as all of God's children)
Again from the Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 19, Of the Law of God:
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.
From the Westminster Confession of Faith (which independents later borrowed and manipulated and called the Savoy Declaration)
Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day
I. The light of nature shows that there is a God, who has lordship and sovereignty over all, is good, and does good unto all, and is therefore to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the heart, and with all the soul, and with all the might. But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God is instituted by Himself, and so limited by His own revealed will, that He may not be worshipped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the holy Scripture.
Proverbs 11:12: "He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace."
We need to search our hearts and welcome rebuke when it is given to us. Making excuses for our words will not help us be holier, more merciful Christians. I have read words in the comments section that were unChristlike. Could that be you?
From John Calvin, 1543, at the Diet of the Empire at Spire before Emperor Charles V:
Then while those who preside in the Church ought to excel others, and shine by the example of a holier life, how well do those who hold the office in the present day correspond in this respect to their vocation! At a time when the corruption of the world is at its height, there is no order more addicted to all kinds of wickedness...their turpitude stands exposed to the eyes of all â€” exposed their insatiable avarice and rapacity â€” exposed their intolerable pride and cruelty. The noise of indecent revelry and dancing, the rage of gaming, and entertainments, abounding in all kinds of intemperance, are in their houses only ordinary occurrences... To pass over other things in silence, what impunity in that celibacy which of itself they regard as a title to esteem! I feel ashamed to unveil enormities which I had much rather suppress, if they could be corrected by silence. Nor will I divulge what is done in secret. The pollutions which openly appear are more than sufficient. How many priests, pray, are free from whoredom? Nay, how many of their houses are infamous for daily acts of lewdness? How many honorable families do they defile by their vagabond lusts?
This is nothing new...It happened in Great Britain in the second reformation where the British government "anglicized" Christianity even through persecution and death. This is called Erastianism. Many martyrs died to uphold Christ's Kingship.
From Donald Cargill:
"I come now to tell you for what I am brought here to die, and to give you an account of my faith, which I shall do as in the sight of the living God before whom I am shortly to stand.
"First, I declare I am a Christian, a Protestant, a Presbyterian in my judgment; and whatever hath been said of me, I die testifying against Popery, Prelacy, Erastianism, and all manner of defection from the truth of God, and against all who make not the Scriptures, which are the Word of God, their rule, that so they may commend Christ and His way to strangers by a holy and Gospel conversation.
"The cause for which I am sentenced to die here this day, is my disowning of authority inthe unlawful exercise thereof, when they, instead of ruling for God, are fighting against Him, and encroaching upon His prerogatives, by that woful supremacy which my soul abhors, and which I have testified against since I was apprehended; and now again I disown all supremacy over the consciences of men and liberties of Christ's Church."
Listen to The Truth These are true words from God. Listen! This world is turned upside down because when seekers ask what these words mean, they are told by liberal (and even some of those who profess to be reformed) churches that these words no longer apply, even as I was told, and I went away for many years from Christ thinking that God could not be there.
Either we have faith in the word of God as had Abraham or we do not. Women are blessed by these words. Men are blessed by these words. Families, little children, are blessed by these words.
Men and women in Christ are equally beloved by him. That is NOT to say that we are to follow our own order, but his, for he is our KING. He died to save us. Will he then command a thing that is not equal and good?
Modern sensibilities cannot grasp this without the teaching of the Holy Spirit, and without the loss of pride. We will not obey the Lord if we do not love him. Do you love Christ Jesus? Do you trust him? Will you suffer with him? Will you reign with him? Will you obey him?
Most of the below comments are beneath Christianity. We must take the Lord's judgments against states and nations seriously. Shame on you!
"If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again. If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him."
The Government recognizes no authority higher than its own will. Here is its professionâ€”'This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land.'...
"Godâ€™s Word, if it has any place, must take a subordinate one; yet even that is denied. It is granted no place at all. The Legislator may leave it at home; it has no authority in Congress. The Judge on the Bench may close it; it has no legal bearing on the question. The Jury do not need it on retiring; give them the statute laws under the Constitution, that is sufficient. The Officer in discharge of official duty has nothing whatever to do withâ€”'Thus saith the Lord,' onlyâ€”'Thus saith the people.'
"Two Police Commissioners, a few days ago, in the City of New York, dissenting from the action of the Board permitting the parade of the Communists on the Sabbath, gave as a reason that the 'Sabbath was of Divine origin.' The Communists reply that 'there is no Constitutional restriction.' The Police Commissioners had consulted the wrong authority. As officers, they should have been reading the Constitution, not the Bible..." Rev. JH Boggs, New York, 1872
It is a shame that it is considered a mark of high standard that the vice-president left a colts game on the Lord's day, which is the LORD'S DAY, not a day of entertainment. It seems a very low standard according to the Word of God.
Isaiah 58:13-14a: "If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD..."