Lurker wrote: John, Would you say that the Gentiles Paul was sent to were not descendants of Jacob.... say, the northern kingdom of the house of Israel? Where/when does this prophetic promise come into play? Ezek 37:21-22 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: Two nations gathered into one with one king? Sound a little like Eph 2:15? Thoughts?
Bro, I'm not sure I understand the first question. And the second one, having not studied this aspect of the typology, I am not able to answer at this time, although I do approve of the king being Christ over the one new man, made up from every nation on earth, such that there is neither Jew nor Gentile.
Lurker wrote: It is a rare instance, if any at all, that God, through the prophets, made promises of blessings to anyone except the houses of Israel and Judah. ... How one reconciles the prophetic promises specific to Israel with the NT writings inclusive of non-Israelites is the question.
That is exactly it, Lurker.
Galatians 3:14 KJV (14)¬† That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:16 KJV (16)¬† Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:18 KJV (18)¬† For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Galatians 3:29 KJV (29)¬† And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
All who belong to Christ are Abraham's seed and heirs of God's promise. What then of those Jews who reject Christ? They do not belong to Christ, they are not Abraham's seed, they are not heirs of the promise.
Be not deceived by misinterpreting scripture. See Galatians 4:28.
Chris G P wrote: Who says that this wicked law can never be rescinded or repealed? Dear Christopher from Rhode Island, the church these days is all too prone to give up and not fight these things.
Hey Chris, that reminded me of William Carey (Particular Baptist and pastor, and later missionary to India) who was incensed with a law in India (I think it was called sati, where if a woman's husband died, she by law had to lay next to him in the bier and be burned to death when he was cremated). He devoted some of his busy life to having that awful law repealed, and in God's providence was successful.
John UK wrote: Cultural differences, language difference, laws difference; all changes and all conform to God's ways.
I forgot to mention this. We need to prepare our minds never to be seeing again such things as "Christmas", "Easter", and "Wesley hymns". None of these will be in eternity in Beulah land. Please don't be like Lot's wife who looked back longingly on her old life, while God was burning it all up, and she herself turned to a pillar of salt.
Read what the Bible says about heaven and what is in heaven and what is done in heaven. Set your mind on things above where Christ is, not on things on the earth.
Dr Tim, let me show the future of physical Israel.
2 Peter 3:7 KJV (7)¬† But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2 Peter 3:10 KJV (10)¬† But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2 Peter 3:13 KJV (13)¬† Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
It won't be long before the physical middle east is no more.
Bro, better begin spiritualising and seeing in the OT the picture, lest there be nowhere for the Jews to go when God burns this whole planet.
"Ah, but John," you say, "the Lord will make new heavens and earth, so why shouldn't he remake the physical country of Israel!"
To which I will reply, " "
Eternity does not have a USA. It does not have a China. Nor anywhere else. Cultural differences, language difference, laws difference; all changes and all conform to God's ways.
Neil wrote: I think this source is authoritative: www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-vice-president-national-catholic-prayer-breakfast/ Catholicism dominates the religious side of American conservative politics.
Thanks a lot, Neil. That is exactly the sort of thing I needed to read, and read it I did. There's nothing like getting it straight from the horse's mouth, and you couldn't get much straighter talking than that speech at the breakfast. There's no doubting it, he is Roman Catholic through and through, and he is what? Vice President of the USA? Wow. Is that better than having an atheist or worse?
Thank you also Frank. Thankfully I believe that all things work together for good....etc.
And the more knowledge is gained on the excesses, false doctrines, false gospel, and false everything else, of the charismatic movement, I can imagine just as much a hatred of it as the Roman Catholic Machine. I certainly do, especially when it comes down to the whole business of "healing". No wonder thick tomes have been written about the lies of charismatics regarding this big deception. The whole motivation behind it is to hurt real believers, which is why I believe it comes directly from the devil, the destroyer.
All it takes to see through the deception is to be an observer. Read the four gospels and then follow a "faith-healer" around for a few weeks. People will soon recognise that he is a charlatan.
sc wrote: Around the time of the Presidential election,Pence was referred to as RC. In a meeting around June 2017, he stated ‚ÄúCatholicism has made an indelible mark on the American spirit,‚ÄĚ Mr. Pence said at the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast. ‚ÄúYour faith has moved mountains, and the Catholic Church and its millions of parishioners have been a force for good in our communities large and small throughout our land, throughout our history." ...seems he ,like Graham, speaks out of both sides of their mouth all the while wanting to remain "the darlings of the Christian community". ...maybe why we're constantly reminded of all the "good" for which they stand.
This is very serious, SC. How could any Christian say such things at a prayer breakfast? I understand that politicians must represent all the electorate, but not to leave their Christianity behind while attending a Catholic prayer breakfast. Is there proof of this stuff? I would like to see a recording of these words. Imagine being there when he said that the Catholic church and all its members have been a force for good. What!
sc wrote: John UK,.. last verse,again, is in reference to speaking in tongues and not praying..
SC, I would say that 1 Corinthians 14 needs to be read in its entirety to get the gist of this, but I believe there is plenty of evidence that "tongues" is the equivalent of "bless with the Spirit" which is "prayer in the Spirit". Note,
1 Corinthians 14:16-17 KJV (16)¬† Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? (17)¬† For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
Here, Paul is talking about the "giving of thanks", and this is referring to giving God thanks, that is, praying to God with the giving of thanks. It is an unknown language, because others are unable to give an Amen, they know not what was said, and neither did the pray-er. The only ones who could interpret what was said, are those with the spiritual gift of interpretation of tongues.
This is different from Pentecost, when the Holy Ghost filled the disciples and enabled them to speak in a known language which was recognised by the hearers outside.
It makes me wonder how many Americans live solely for politics. They seem to really enjoy the cut and thrust of political speeches rather than seek to obey the Sermon on the Mount and the rest of the New Testament.
It's getting much the same here, thanks to the BBC and others who think the population wish to have Brexit negotiations reported on day and night.
June A. Nadolny wrote: John-UK, exposing Pentecostalism as a "false gospel" and warning those who are caught up in it is of no small import.
Good morning June,
As one who spent one year in an Elim Pentecostal church, and another five years within diverse charismatic groups, I am very well acquainted with the false gospel they all preach, and so many other bizarre doctrines they propagate.
In my case, I did not begin there. In fact, I did not begin in any denomination at all, having been converted through listening to recorded messages. And the Lord led me to a Grace church where he was at work.
But I have always sought out believers who really want to obey Christ and are other-worldly. Men like William Carey or John Bunyan or C.T. Studd. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who departed orthodox but lukewarm churches in search of something better. And of course I learned by my mistakes. The Lord will teach his children no matter where they go, and bring them out if need be.
I do really agree that the most important thing by far is the Gospel Message. Get that wrong, and it means hell for ever and ever. And just as heaven is eternally secure for all the regenerate, so is hell for the unbeliever.
SC, this is why Paul insisted on the interpretation (note, not translation) of tongues, in the assembly. Then it would be edifying.
1 Corinthians 14:26-28 KJV (26)¬† How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. (27)¬† If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. (28)¬† But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
I'm not sure why there is so much interest in the historical use of the spiritual sign gifts. Such interest will never be of much edification to the church today. There are more important issues to be dealing with, like...
June A. Nadolny wrote: Rehearsing What God Has Done A Brief History of Bible Based Ministries by Shaun Willcock He too for a time was caught up in the error of Pentecostalism after leaving the Methodist denomination he was affiliated with.
‚ÄúPentecostalism, when I was first introduced to it, appeared to me (as it has to so many other youngsters) to be biblical. It seemed to follow the Bible, to be alive, to preach (as it boasted) ‚Äúthe full Gospel‚ÄĚ. How wrong I was! It appeared to fill the void which I felt within Methodism. I was a regenerated young man trying to fit into a false religious institution. It could not be done. I was a fish out of water. But sadly, going from Methodism to Pentecostalism, I went from one ecclesiastical error to another.‚ÄĚ He goes on to say: "It was only in 1986 that I was fully delivered from all of that."
1 Corinthians 14:1-4 KJV (1)¬† Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. (2)¬† For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. (3)¬† But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. (4)¬† He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
I don't need to go into this spiritual gift as explained above, it is self-explanatory. But obviously it is not a language found on earth "for no man understandeth him" and "he speaketh mysteries". And if 'speaking to God' is 'praying to God', then you can call it the prayer language of the Spirit, for "he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God".
Oh and in the assembly, this spiritual gift was not to be used unless there was at least one other who had the spiritual gift of interpretation, otherwise it really would have been pointless. I think we can safely safe that the spiritual gift is different from a human ability to speak more than one language.