TokSpk wrote:

let's put that nonsense to the test,shall we?

how about some statistics to mull over

1.6 million abortions performed in the U.S. each year

Each year more than one million U.S. teenagers become pregnant — one in nine women aged 15-19 and one in five who are sexually active.

Homosexuality is rife,with legislation being passed offering sodomites more and more protection

God kicked out of your schools and public buildings

murder statistics through the roof

and that's a "Christian country"?

a country full of nominals who wouldn't know what the inside of a church building looked like

John UK wrote:
Those who love the KJV take note that many modern versions love to use the phrase 'the end of the age' rather than 'end of the world'.

it's the word "aion" from which comes the english word "eon"

Revelation 20:1-3. According to the text, Satan is "bound" with a "great chain" (vv.1-2) and thrown into the "abyss" that is "shut" and "sealed" for a thousand years (v. 3). This abyss acts as a "prison" (v. 7) until the thousand years are completed. The acts of binding, throwing, shutting and sealing indicate that Satan's activities are completely finished

it can't be any clearer than that

totally unconvincing in EVERY respect-
Angels are mentioned numerous times in the New Testament, but “THE angel of the Lord” is never mentioned in the New Testament

DJC49 wrote:
Rev 20:1-3
Who does the Binding of Satan? -- Jesus Christ.

2TI 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

How could anyone be taken captive by the devil after Calvary, if at Calvary he was bound and immobilized in the bottomless pit, just before the second coming?

JAM 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

How would there be any need to resist the devil, if he was no where upon the earth to deceive, entice, or cause to be damned, the Saints and unbelievers?

KG wrote:
Since when has this been a test of orthodoxy?!
Roman Catholicism does actually believe many things that other Catholics would not deny. So get a grip of yourself GK and stop talking drivel.

you'll be pleased to hear that the papists originated your doctrine,and you guys were too dumb to realise it

ya gift

John

amills hold the position that satan was bound at calvary-or the acension.I think someone else mentioned it earlier

EDIT-in fact see post above ^^^^^

have a quick read at this for a kick off-
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/Catholic-doctrine-end-times.htm

they also are as guilty of the repeated propagation of the John Darby myth as most amills

by the way-I would advise you to dump firefox and go for google chrome

how was satan,who was "bound",we are told at calvary,able to fill Ananias' heart to lie to the holy ghost?

and just as a quick secondary,do you reliase you share a doctrine in common with Roman Catholicism?They are BIG on Amillenialism

you can count Lance Eccles as one of your number

TokSpk-don't talk complete drivel....there is NO SUCH THING as a Christian country.

According to the amillennial view, Satan is unable to deceive the nations as he did before the first coming of Christ, but he is still active and able to do harm in this age. According to REv 20v1-3, Satan is "bound" with a "great chain" and thrown into the "abyss" that is "shut" and "sealed" for a thousand years . This abyss acts as a "prison" (v. 7) until the thousand years are completed.Satan's activities are completely finished.

G.C Berkouwer(Amill)The Return of Christ, Studies in Dogmatics p. 305. admits that the standard amillennial explanation of this text does not do justice to what is described:

I actually use the KJV only,but lifted the quote wrongly from one of those sites that list multiple versions when you google them-so my bad there.So no need to worry,I'm not sliding down your "slippery slope"-by the way I take it that is a metaphorical slippery slope?Does it actualy exist,or just in your imagination,like everything else in the Amill world?

DJC hasn't GOT an argument-propaganda recited endlessly is not an argument

the lies(John Darby etc),misconception and indeed blind irrationality of the A MILL case is flabbergasting

you state that you believe that every verse of the bible is true,and then deny what it says

you guys have been asked to answer questions,but have refused-why don't you actually adress some of them instead of firing off more and more of your own?

Observation- you don't actually understand who this refers to

it's held by many that the demons held in tartarus are those who came into the daughters of men in Genesis 6 and fathered the nephilim.... in your world,I suppose that didn't happen either.....tut tut

John UK wrote:
Mike New York
I'm amazed at you bro!!!
Fancy imagining (in your literalist world) that a spirit (like Satan) could ever be literally bound and gagged and dropped into a bottomless pit.

2 Peter 2:4: "God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them into pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment."

TokSpk wrote:
Can you NOT see the difference between the Christian country AND the NON-Christian. EG Muslim???

pray tell,what is a "Christian country"?

John Yurich USA wrote:
If Obama tries to make laws that supress religious freedom then he should be impeached. Obama should be impeached anyway for being insane and psychotic.

for all the A-mills,which resurrection does the bringing back to life of the 2 witnesses fit into?

what we have established-

the Jonathan Darby/"scottish lass" myth of authorship of the "rapture theory"is precisely that-a myth(but that'll hardly stop them from repeating it)

the devil,supposedly chained in the pit,is alive and well,on the loose and creating more and more mayhem by the day.....

the restrainer is supposedly in the world restraining someone who doesn't need restraining

1000 years doesn't really mean 1000 years,even though 6 days means 6 days

"ruling and reigning" really means suffering the worst the world has to throw at you-I would really hate to see the idea of being in slavery and tribulation!!

John Yurich USA wrote:
Well this kind of thing will never happen in the United States because that would be going against the First Amendment to the Constitution.

Lurker wrote:
Reconcile an apple with an orange? That's no way to prove a point and do justice by the written word. Perhaps you could search the prophets and find some cross references to the "1000 year" reign of Christ.

DJC wrote:
is it only mere coincidence that there is absolutely NO mention of devils either possessing or being cast out of people AFTER the Crucifixion & Resurrection of Jesus Christ? In the Synoptic Gospels, it seems that there was MUCH casting out of devils, and this sort of thing was NEVER mentioned after Pentecost! I wonder if this has anything to do with Satan being bound from Christ's 1st until His 2nd Advent?

Candle Lit wrote:
So, over the past 2000 yrs, there has been a lessening of evil, and peace for the Church? Is that what MH says? Does anyone of sound mind actually believe that? It doesn't take an *intellectual* to look at the 20th century ALONE to see the multitudes of MILLIONS killed by Lenin and Stalin and Hitler - and that was just in the first half of the century - combine that with all the murders and persecutions of Christians from the early church on, and I'd say there wasn't MUCH binding of Satan and peace for the church over the past 2000 yrs. What about the Black Plague of the dark ages? 1/3 of the world's population died? Are we still in a period of Satan's being bound? Tell me, please.

well intellectual

is Matthew Henry inspired?

is the 6 days of creation a metaphor or in some way not literal?I still can't get an answer to this!

you see,the problem with all this allegorisation,is that anything that is symbolic illustration is explained elsewhere in the bible if you know where to look

Christ's kingdom as a mountain,the beasts of revelation with the horns etc.....all are explained in scripture

I fail to see how the millennium is explained away as imagery of something else.....apply the same logic to the 6 days of creation,and you have a very crumbly foundation.How do you arrive at a literal 6 days,but insist on an allegorical 1000 years?

Nathan wrote:
That means since c70AD we have been in and are still in Great tribulation, in its reach globally, it's duration, and it's depth.