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News Item2/27/18 8:16 AM
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John for JESUS wrote:
“except for sexual immorality”
Matthew 19:9‭
This is the rubric that underpins the entirety of the churches position on marriage. And the vanguard of their conservative values.

News Item2/26/18 1:05 PM
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John UK wrote:
This will always be a problem so long as there are "fellowships of churches" with rules. The only biblical pattern (if there are no apostles today, and there aren't) is independency and autonomy.
Agree John

News Item2/26/18 12:35 PM
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Adriel wrote:
Considering the House of Windsor Has already experienced the Divorce of the next King, Prince Charles, and his brother Prince Andrew's divorce, and Princess Anne his sister's divorce; - There cannot really be much expectation of controversy over Harry and Meghan.
As for Justin Welby and the Liberal Church of England they never allow the Bible to get in the way of a good knees up.
Are you against divorce?

News Item2/24/18 2:38 AM
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Dylan wrote:
Pastor Kevan Swanson and Dr Albert Mohler, some of the men I listen to and agree with think that Billy Graham was theologicly lacking but no doubt real, true follower of Christ.
Mohler is an ecumenist, and don’t know Swanson but he seems to be in the same boat. Like Rome Mohler thinks God can use a helping hand.

Unless you’ve been warned, or you’ve studied the Jehovas Witnesses extensively, you will not get from any single service or tract any inkling of any wrong turns. If you listen to Armenianists, charismatics, paedos, 7th day adventists, Roman Cath’s, you will come away edified and feeling good about God.

This is the tragedy of it, that if you think they’re not Christians, in the next day’s message they’re nice and are, ... no, yae, no ..,

The verbiage is all biblical. The Arminiust will tell you, it IS!!! all grace alone and all Christ alone - that man decides.

But no matter still, if you think they’re not, they are. It’s no, yes, ..

Mohler’s message will leave you breathless, the kind to manipulate Christian growth with, like B.G’s.

BG was, was not..

This is the area where the mass of humanity jumps on and off Christianity. Where B.G resided.

News Item2/18/18 9:43 PM
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Thanks Jim!

I didn't know Pence much. But thanks to your postings, my admiration of this Godly man has grown.

I praise God for him. I pray that God will keep his hand of protection upon the VP and his family. I pray that God will bless them mightily and keep them strong in their testimony of Him!

Thank you again, Jim!

News Item2/18/18 4:19 AM
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What a refreshing change VP Pence is. The first I saw of him was on TV during his Israel tour.

Not big into politics, but I do know that anyone with a genuine profession of a Christian faith in that arena is going to face relentless attacks.

Its good to know that we have a VP and a President that turns to God for guidance and strength.

News Item5/20/14 2:31 AM
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Treading water are you? Regurgitating what's already been answered? Just keep referring back to my last post.

The basis of your arguement so far has been:

The GC was only for the desciples because -
Only they were there

-But it's also an example for us, ...

-But then again it can't be for us, cause we'd have to wait & start in Jerusalem. (I kid you not).

Paul's included in the GC
Paul's not

Under Jesus leadership, the desciples WB'd.
-But Jesus didn't say anything. So He spoke agaist it!

The Desciples did both, water & Spirit baptism.
-Because the desciples did SPIRIT baptism, it's proof that it was under Gods authority.
The desciples did WB. Just because they did, is not proof in favor of it.

There's no instruction for either water or Spirit
- there no instruction for water

In ACTS 10/11 Peter water baptises, then harbours a secret regret which only J4 can decipher using Joseph Smith magic glasses.

Don't you love it when your deception is unmasked? We haven't got to the best yet.
Basically, anytime you have J4 cornered, he switches sides. He blows out of both sides of the arguement on every issue.

What J4 does is, after something has been dealt with clearly, J4 will repost it as if it has never been heard before. A J4 Special.

News Item5/19/14 2:04 AM
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John for JESUS wrote:
1 Apostles were baptizing proselytes.
maybe you can answer why only Gentiles were baptized?

2 Yet somehow Peter lays hands
By what authority did he do that?

3 We both know from scripture that Jesus didn't teach a command to baptize in water

4 So when He tells His disciples to go and baptize, how were they supposed to do that? Not with water!

5)There are examples of them doing it with the Holy Spirit, so why won't you accept it?

1 This is YOUR hairbrain theory to explain your wacky theology. It's NOT biblical.

2 The existence of Spirit baptism is not at issue nor is it a proof against water.
We were on ACTS 10/11 where Peter baptises with water. You left that to quote Spirit baptism. They did both under the one authority

You've chosen to accept one and dismiss the other. For that, you alone claim that authority.
The apostles laid hands under Gods authority. The junk YOU attach is NOT part of that authority. Asking for a yes here does not give you a free pass to piggyback your junk.

Points 3,4,5
Not that ANY of your posts have a point.
The apostles water baptised. Why don't you accept that?

What was it about baptism in the GC that was only for the apostles. Did Paul have same authority & pwr

News Item5/17/14 6:32 PM
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John/UK ACTS 19 is not conclusive on WATER. That Paul laid hands, it tells us.

We don't discount water baptism, nor the laying on of hands by the apostles.
The resident evil here tries to steer the arguement to be one agaist the other. That way he gives the appearance of having equal biblical defence just by presenting the existence of the other. You present water. He presents Spirit. Did the apostles baptise by laying hand? See, you were arguing agaist Spirit baptism all along. Now he can add His spin.

It's revolting for someone so twisted to quote scripture.

Where there are clear conclusive proof of water baptism by the apostles, J4 dismisses the apostles as dumb & he is right.

In ACTS 10 &11
God via a vision sends Peter to preach at a Gentiles house. Peter preaches, they recieve the Holy Spirit. Peter water baptises.

What baptism is Peter telling us the GC means? Water. Did Peter think there was command to lay hands? NO!
But Dodo says God repeatedly breaks His own command of laying hands by circumventing around himself

ACTS 11:16 is God authenticating the message going out to the Gentiles.

Against such an obvious simple reading of the nerrative, this time J4 has Peter put out a 'J4 hidden cryptic message'.
How does J4 know? He says he thinks. Scary!

News Item5/15/14 7:17 PM
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John for JESUS wrote:
5)No, you can look it up. No Gentiles were baptized in water after Acts 11.
6) I was think more along the lines of, "Then I remembered..."
"Then I remembered..."
Peter remembers Jesus' promise of the Holy Spirit

You want him to remember that he was not to baptise with water.

That's why when you offered in the past to quote scripture, I didn't bother. Because you wouldn't have understood what the bible was saying anyways.

' Preaching is not baptising'

Has it occured to you that the baptism that happens here is not through laying of hands but through preaching?
Neither did it occur to Peter that YOUR Great Commission command was for the apostles to baptise with the Holy Spirit.

News Item5/15/14 12:57 PM
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John for JESUS wrote:
1) I only recall questioning whether it could be considered

But is not a direct act, as you say.

"only recall questioning whether it could be considered?"

how long have I asked you a direct question?
So FINALLY, laying of hands is the ONLY direct act to the direct command to baptize in the GC!

Your Points 1,2,3 could have been cleared a long time ago. Slither/wafle/wafle

Your Point 4
Don't let me hand you yours in a platter agian, if you wanna wafle on that, then just do it.

Your #5
You're kidding!
Your kooky theology stands/falls on YOUR ANALYSIS of "tenses/grammer etc" of of a translated bible.
You can't see that v17 starts with "SO IF"?
Here, PETER's TELLING YOU what the preceding statement meant to him.

And your twisted way is over and above Peters? Give it up!

Here's ACTS 11:16-17
16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with[a] water, but you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.’
17 SO IF God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”

Your responses are always a garbled mess. But we're stuck between answereing or going on.
We'll check out your Corinthians messup.

News Item5/15/14 7:02 AM
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You can wave someone's wallet in their face yet at the same time deny taking it?

Ok dodo I got it.
You say 'laying of hands' and 'preaching' are your distinct direct acts by which the command to baptise is obeyed.

But I also get that "preaching is NOT baptising". And baptism is out of anyones hands.

Except to obey the great commission, preaching is baptising.

We'll let you go in circles. Like a snake eating it's tail

lets bring out into the open more of your hairbrain thinking.

Earlier, you said Jesus spoke of water baptism in the past tense. And Peter in Acts 11:16 remembers that and comes to the realization that water baptism was done away with.

Did it occur to you that if Peter was enlightened your way, right after he goes on and WATER BAPTISES???

"44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard
Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water"

You also said that Jesus was NOT anointed with the Holy Spirit. That the "dove" was for John the Baptist to recocnize Jesus.

ACTS 10:38
"how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him."

News Item5/14/14 7:05 PM
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Right J4 you say
'Preaching IS NOT baptising'
'Baptism OCCURES' through preaching

Now, what you tried to pass off before, which took many posts going in circles is -

That along with 'laying of hands', 'preaching' can also be considered a distinct act by which how the command to baptise is obeyed?

You are so pathetically dishonest.

Laying of hands is the only direct act to a direct command you can consider.

Baptism that OCCURES through preaching is OUT OF ANYBODYS HANDS.

Absolutely pathetically dishonest. If you can't find an honest way you fudge it. What you believe is make belief, that's why

News Item5/13/14 7:19 PM
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You cant say HOW your baptism was carried out. Hands/preach? You fudge it.

Next, according to you, you have the desciples carrying on something they're not supposed to.

9/27/13 1:25pm
Water baptism is a holdover from Judiasm

According to you, WB was mikhvah.
What on earth were the desciples doing taking Christians, initiating them into some Judaistic ritual. At one time they were doing it right under Jesus's nose.
According to you Jesus had to ditch them. (Though you were set straight here too and your theory took a beating. You had to create a tension here between Jesus & appostles if they are to disagree? Oh just waffle on J4)

Anyway, NONE of them back there had the understanding and insight you have.

But you're too much of a weasel to come out and say it. You just "allow" them. They are "not wrong". (Except for when you slip up)

What about Paul. Did he WB'ise? Then he didn't get it either.

Or did he speak of Spirit baptism only. You do use 1Cor1: as proof that Paul could only have meant Spirit baptism or he'd be disobeying the GC.
Out of space here so we'll check you theory in another post & see if it holds.

You like slow moving debates because your contradictions are spread out

9/27/13 1:25pm
God's word is clear though that true baptism saves

News Item5/13/14 4:16 PM
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The Great Commission issues a command to preach, & baptize. Each distinct.

This call must follow a distinct act for each by which to obey.

For WB, no problem.
But there is no call for what J4 says, so he is desperate to claim PREACHING along with hands.

By hands. OK. Though that's sparse for something so important as a command to obey, especially to be able to dispense the Holy Spirit.

By preaching. But preaching is already a distinct command.

Also, in preaching baptism may or may not happen since it is out of your hands. You act by preaching. The response is out of your hands.

Using "to preach" is irrefutable proof that there was a direct command to preach.

Using "to preach" AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR BAPTIZING is irrefutable proof that there was no direct command for your kind of Spirit baptizing.

Dodo says preaching is literally baptizing and literally obeying the GC because sometimes they also laid hands.

7)They laid hands but they stopped, also thru preaching
8)God does it now

10/24/13 2:59a
No, not anymore. Though they sometimes did. The most we can do now, it seems, is preach which results in those who obey & baptized

10/25/13 12L25am pg17
At various times they laid hands & sometimes they didn't & Holy Spirit just fell

News Item5/11/14 5:22 PM
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J4 loves these debates. That's why he steers us here instead of looking at how he does operates.

He applies different standards at different times to get a win.

To make his whacky idea work, J4 flip/flops his way through. There isn't any place he hasn't back flipped his way through.

Here's double standard J4 telling us that no 'how to' verses for either baptism is 'strong proof' against WB. The apostles can't be followed. But 'there are verses which show how the Apostles baptized in the Holy Spirit' which support his view.

10/28/13 3:27 pg15
The whole idea of Jesus supposedly telling them to perform a water ritual is a whole different topic. I don't believe He did
There is also no mention of a definite mode, age requirement, or purpose for water baptism in the N.T.

8/26/13 6:13PM PG 21
there isn't a place in scripture that says to be baptized in water you are to get into a river and be dunked in water while standing on one foot for the purpose of making a public confession of faith

10/5/13 4:25am pg17
Yeah, let's base our doctrine off of everything the Apostles ever did! ..I'm sure Jesus knew what they were doing, but it doesn't mean He taught them too

News Item5/10/14 6:10 PM
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No J4 you're wrong on 1Cor, but later.

Points 7&8 is about how you think the baptism of the Holy Spirit was. to be performed. According to you it was like this, no like this, no maybe..

We all believe that there is both, water and Holy Spirit baptism for Christians. You believe one & not the other. So where you quote scripture on baptism of the Holy Spirit, you want us to be like you, argue against the existence of the other - against your proof texts. We're not like you.

Holy Spirit bapt'm is God doing and man receiving & always spoke of in those terms. Scroll back down to YOUR post & look.
He(God) baptised.
(Men) WERE baptised

WB is always spoken of in terms of man baptised.

Mat2:2-12 Jesus tells a paralytic your sins are forgiven. Cheap talk anyone can say that. But a religious leader or rabi, that's blasphemy. Only God can! Scribes go balistic. So Jesus asks, what's easier for Him to claim, to forgive or to say walk? If He can speak life to a dead, is there any doubt to His authority?

There were many spokesmen for many gods. The apostles, like the prophets, were sent with authority to speak for The God eg laying of hands and other miracles.

Man was called preach & baptise and it hasn't ceased. Man never could Bptise with Holy Spirit that cant any more

News Item5/10/14 2:21 AM
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Try again and get real this time.

The disciples did this. AND the disciples did that.

So what's the difference? It's subject to the kooks approval!!

Your great and mighty revelation for Christendom is that the bible can only be parsed through this degenerate.

I'll move on to your challenge now so you have no room to weasel out.

News Item5/9/14 11:55 PM
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Thanks JY
God loves you and will be your guide.

Debates get heated over differences. But I cant tolerate someone who's shifty & dishonest. This guy can reach over for your wallet and deny taking it while he holds it to your face.

Woo hoo J4, in all this, your biggest gotcha moment is the word 'pout'? It wasn't in my original point because I knew you'd pout.

Here's your Jesus pouting & leaving town-
'When He hears what his disciples are doing He departs to Samaria'

I didn't engage you for you to give your garbled incoherent interpretations. You've been doing that for years. I am exposing your two faced backflip responses. Then we let you loose

Your gloating over some 'strong proof' is YOUR ALLEGED lack of verses about 'how to' WB in the bible. Your wining submission is YOUR ADMISSION that there are no verses to show how to baptise with the Holy Spirit. Are you that daft?

The apostles are our example. Except when they WB. Then they're in error.

Proof #'s 7&8 will be about J4's 'how to' baptise with the Holy Spirit.
It's hands. No, it's preach. No, hands. God does it. Preach, that's literally the act of baptising. But sometimes they don't know that it is happening. It's not done anymore. It was only for the disciples......

News Item5/9/14 5:52 PM
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I've got 7&8 left of the challenge. You wanted me to prove that you said what you admit you've said? The challenge at that point was to put a bravado front. You haven't denied any of the points. You've simply explained/rationalised. I don't care if you wana change. None of your points have been consistent anyways. You've waffled & cheated because it kept falling apart.

What' are you complaining about in your last post?

DID YOU SAY THAT there's no verse showing how to baptise with the Holy Spirit.

Every Cristian believes in the baptism of the Holy Spirit. So quoting verses for that is not proof that there's no water baptism.

You were asked the question because you had gone on about there being nothing given about water bapt'm as proof against it.

You attacked WB because there's no verse showing how to do it. THERE IS NO VERSE SHOWING HOW TO BAPTIZE WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. So much for all the hot air over that point.

So how do yo do say we know what to do? Follow the disciples. Ah but they are in error over WB! Don't follow! Ok, follow the bible cause it's inspired. So now the strength your wacky theology is based on the strength of impeccable waffled fuzzy interpretation. All of Christiandom is at mercy of YOUR mistique wisdom.

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