To add to Allie's comment: 1 Corinthians 15:33-34. "Do not be deceived: Bad company corrupts good morals. Come to your senses and stop sinning, for some people are ignorant about God. I say this to your shame."
As God's agents toward His children, parents are supposed to protect their charges until they have the armor of God firmly in place, at least to the best of our God-given ability. We talk about special circumstances wherein Isrealite children were captured, dragged into slavery and God used them. He can use anyone He wants for any purpose He wants at any time He wants to. That doesn't mean we throw our lambs to the wolves and hope and pray they turn out alright while the waking world around them shovels evolution, perverted life-styles, peer counsel, humanism, et al down their throats. Wake up. It will only get worse.
These stories serve as a well-to-heed reminder of the difference between the fear of God and the fear of man. Praise the Lord these parents are able to watch their little girl grow, and may she grow in grace! If it hadn't turned out this way I hope in their grief we could still say praise the Lord.
We live in a part of Montana where we can quite easily find garnets, bits of gold and saphires. The beauty in these precious stones and metal God has created is yet another testament to God's awesome power and His incredible creaviteness. The process by which we purify these stones and metal we have used many times to teach the children the process of salvation. We will never get rich from a weekend hobby, nor do we wish to; however, God made it, it's good and beautiful - not unlike the diamond this gentleman found! Pray he will use it for God's glory and rejoice with those who rejoice!
Feminists are often recognized by their forceful and angry choice of words. They usually resort to name calling and ridicule anyone who does not agree with them. Humility is not their companion. So called "Christian feminists" proclaim their words are Holy Spirit inspired and therefore to disagrement with them is akin to blasphemy against God. They have an unteachable spirit but claim authority to teach others. Their tongues wag, their fingers wag and under it all they are proud and bitter. They aren't really hard to see through. The tougher question is what to do with them, like grasping oil or the wind. Ellen G. White of the SDA church is a great example of "Christian" feminism and how that works.
Lol Please let's not be surprised brothers and sisters. This isn't news. "Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it. How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it." Matt 7:13-14 One verse among MANY that this article simply plays out.
If John is "for real" here and not just trolling to stir the pot, this subject is a difficult one for the person who believes they must act on their own part. I was there, and these were not foreign concepts to me but I had been taught they were wrong. The burden on my soul to save myself was staggering! When God woke me to His truth... Well, nothing so crushing and humbling and joyous and liberating had ever entered my mind. And now I look at this with awe - my God acts ALONE. He needs no one and nothing. He never wrings His hands waiting for something to happen or hoping we make a good choice. He is never taken by surprise. It is ALL in His control because He has ordered it, caused it, made it, exacted it, willed it, blessed it to be so. It has been done and He has determined who will go to be with Him and who will burn in the lake of fire - the choice is from a sovereign God and what a relief for His people! The verse where Christ says to take up His yolk (Matt 11:29) has a whole different meaning for His elect verses the vain pursuit of those who do not believe in a God big enough to be in control. Adriel and Kev have posted some of the most beautiful words to a sinners ears. God doesn't have to love anyone but He does love His children with a jealous love. Remem
Are the prayers of the righteous effective because they petition God to change His mind; or is it rather that the righteous person, through the loving command to pray, experiences the moving of the Holy Spirit in their hearts to conform their will to God's?
Mike, great point that I wish/hope would be heeded. Years ago a group of engineers modified a wheat plant with fish scales to stop a certain strain of rust that was devastating African wheat fields. Suddenly people who had no family history of wheat allergies couldn't eat the wheat. Then a pattern of fish/shell fish allergies in these people began to emerge. Wasn't the corn, exactly. And Chris rightly pointed to Dolly. Love your last sentence.
Thanks Pilgrim, but the best comments were the scriptures that Frank posted. We're expecting baby 7 in late summer and it's something to be a part of this "mystery"!
In my humble opinion, there should be an enormous difference in the Christian head and heart between protecting and promoting. The fear of God is the wisdom we should be drawing from and in this we are to protect the innocent, those who cannot protect themselves (widows, children, physically limited, weaker members, etc). However, a group suffering the natural consequences from their sinful behavior does not deserve our protection lest they confuse it with promotion or acceptance. That doesn't mean we treat anyone abusivley, cruelly or unjustly, but we need to keep in mind *W(w)ho's* definition of "just" we use - theirs or God's. To the LGBT community, we are unjust and cruel for not allowing a man to use the women's restroom because he identifies as a woman. Their minds are perverse and their reasoning only follows. Allow the Holy Spirit to exact judgment that might be used to convict them of their sin as God draws them. Or maybe He is just letting their sin sweep them away. Tread carefully.
Beautiful passages that should humble us before a God who rightly claims control and creatorship over all things. What craziness in this world when the pot supposes it can one-up The Potter. I echo your sentiment: Oh come quickly Lord Jesus, come quickly!
And what an insult to the babies God made that are not "perfect" in their eyes! There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. (Prov 14:12; 16:25) There can be no good fruit from man intervening in this process. Let God do the knitting.
Hopped back on (may I reserve the right as a woman to do that? Lol) to say, Adriel, I have appreciated your last few comments, especially the pleasure of wine. I drink for both health and pleasure. I smiled when I read your comment about intoxication verses drunkenness and while I may not agree totally, since we are to be in control of our minds, I can't help but look at Noah who was held up as such a man of greatness. Drank himself into a stupor and passed out. Yet the admonishment was not his intoxication (for I do not believe he was a drunkard) but was on his son for HIS shameful conduct. Thank you for your honesty in looking at this - giving me some "food for thought", no pun intended!
Always ends the same way with anti-alcohol believers: it *is* a matter of spirituality in their books. And while they generally deny tying drinking to condemnation, their words eventually prove them out. S c is now asking Christians to justify their eating and drinking habits to them and BMcC feels the life lived in the Spirit cannot abide the effects of wine. How sad. Be honest. Be critical. You choose to not drink - there is no great holiness in this. I choose to drink. It does not make me holier. But, be honest. This is about more than eating and drinking, it always is to your kind.
May Christ work to break down our barriers between each other and Himself and continue to sanctify us while we joyfully open our hearts full and wide to the leading of the Holy Spirit, casting aside the doctrines of men and leaning not on our own understanding, but in all our ways acknowledging Him. Time for me to hop off this merry-go-round.
Frank, your comment made me laugh! I was just thinking "Didn't I once upon a time long ago say these discussions annoyed me??" and here I am far too many comments later. What's the saying? Patience: seldom see in women and less often in men? Hahaha. I think most of us tire quickly with these discussions because they always become a bad merry-go-round ride...
Pen, Nope! Just move along now... Nothing to see here...
US, Kev and Conner - these are the pinnacle arguments of Seventh-Day Adventist temperance beliefs; although I am sure others hold to belief. BMcC and sc have used the exact verbiage, texts and arguments I have heard for nearly 40 years. This cult endevors to bind the soul to what they eat and drink and what day they worship. My heart goes out to BMcC and s c because, should they be towing this SDA line (and I really don't know if they are, they just argue about this as an SDA would) they cannot budge from their temperance view because it would mean the downgrade or loss of their salvation. If they rightly divided the Scriptures in proper context and could be honest in looking at what it says, this would all be a non-issue. I couldn't care less what a true Christian eats or drinks as they'd between God and them. But binding this issue to salvation is a problem. (We have heard repeatedly from this thread that any consumption of alcohol is drunkenness and drunkards won't enter Heaven. This is the SDA stance.)
s c, your arguments really make no sense, and I am terribly sorry you do not see it. I am thankful, however, that you have a passion for doing what you think is right by Christ and as I said before, may God continue to teach us both. Just keep in mind Prov 19:2 "Even zeal is not good without knowledge".
Colossians 2:8-10, 20-23 (8) Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elemental forces of the world, and not based on Christ. (9) For the entire fullness of Gods nature dwells bodily in Christ, (10) and you have been filled by Him, who is the head over every ruler and authority.
(20) If you died with the Messiah to the elemental forces of this world, why do you live as if you still belonged to the world? Why do you submit to regulations: (21) Don't handle, don't taste, don't touch? (22) All these regulations refer to what is destroyed by being used up; they are commands and doctrines of men. (23) Although these have a reputation of wisdom by promoting ascetic practices, humility, and severe treatment of the body, they are not of any value in curbing self-indulgence.
Dialoging with only those whose choose to abstain but acknowledge moderation is not a sin, I respect your view greatly and you yourselves (Frank and UPS specifically). I have difficulty understanding why a Christian chooses to abstain from something Christ provided (water to wine), used and served (Passover comes to mind) and commended in a host of analogies (as in "I am the vine, and you are the branches" spoken of during the last supper). It seems to be provided for our enjoyment and health, our happiness and joy and more importantly, as a symbol of the ultimate sacrifice made on behalf of His wretched sinners. If we are commanded to take the Lord's Supper, what thought process allows one to change it to grape juice? I still maintain both should be served for those who hold a conscience toward abstaining from drinking, for the kingdom of God is not about eating and drinking, nor should such an issue cause division; but what allows one to change the sacraments laid out by Christ's hand? Really, just a question with zero ulterior motive. I do not and will not reply to the poster under the name SteveR; as a matter of fact, I skip anything with his name, just fyi.