John UK wrote: Hey Frank, Pacifists, Calvinists, Arminists, Baptists? How about Disciples of Jesus Christ, the Word of God, who follow Him and His word? These are the little remnant who make it to heaven, receiving Christ the Lord, bending the knee, not loving their lives to the death. Revelation 12:11
Hey brother! Yes, I was referring to born again believers who refer to themselves as pacifists or who are pacifists. Pacifism is not a proof of Christianity. And as you know, I don't consider Calvinists, Arminists and Baptist to be synonymous with proof of Christianity.
Note neither John, Adriel or BMac answered my scenarios. So it might be safe to assume that if John was painting and had a glass full of turpentine to clean his brushes and Adriel came in and picked up the glass because he was thirsty that John wouldnâ€™t stop him because thereâ€™s no example of that being done in the New Testament and BMac wouldnâ€™t warm him because itâ€™s just a stupid American thing.
Adriel there are several examples where a mass shooting was stopped by an armed citizen. The leftest press in America doesnâ€™t cover it. We obviously would have taken any necessary to stop any mass shooting
Not straw grasping John just applying Scripture correctly
It what all you idiots deserve for your pathetic sickening turn the other cheek, resist not evil, love your enemy doctrines of pacifism. Offer your children up to the perverts you pathetic pacifists, you are showing the love of Jesus aren't you, taking up your cross aren't you, letting your "brother" sin against you 70x7 aren't you. Sick vile Christianity, no wonder once you sick people finally all bowed down to your vile pacifist doctrines all your civilizations are now over. You only ever survived because some of your ancestors actually had guts to curse the vile NT doctrines of pacifism and actually killed millions of Antichrists over millenia protecting their civilizations, without them none of you would ever even exist. Since you all now "love your enemies" and let them do such evil, you have ZERO future. BYE BYE CHRISTIANS.
Frank wrote: Taken to an extreme, these pacifists....
Pacifists, Calvinists, Arminists, Baptists?
How about Disciples of Jesus Christ, the Word of God, who follow Him and His word? These are the little remnant who make it to heaven, receiving Christ the Lord, bending the knee, not loving their lives to the death. Revelation 12:11
Adriel wrote: The use of the term "pacifist" in this debate is a Red Herring of desperation. The debate is about legalising the carrying around in public of weapons, including AR-15's, to be used in lynch mob style reactions in any community. That is still uncivilised, hostile and bellicose. The civilised method would be to allow the police and relevant authorities to deal with criminal activities, as per Romans 13.
One manâ€™s red herring is another manâ€™s pre-supposition.
And, what do we do if the police aren't there and I have a carry permit and stop the murders?
@Youth in Asia from Asia there are sound Bible believing Churches like ours still preaching the Gospel in this land so bountifully blessed but blighted by scammers and thieving politicians. Yes, it's a fact that there are politically motivated killings going on, but the religious conflict angle is being hyped because our greatest challenge as KJV only Independent Baptists is the false Gospel which is overwhelmingly popular here. You can help. We are few but persevering!
Frank wrote: I agree with all of your comments that I have read. Taken to an extreme, these pacifists would not have police or military and would simply stand by while their loved ones or other helpless were being beaten, robbed, or murdered.
That's interesting. The Americans did nothing about protecting Sandy Hook and Columbine children but now want imaginary situations to authenticate gun toting Christian vigilantes.???
So a man is to provide for his family spiritually, emotionally and financially, but not physically? Give me a break! Iâ€™m so blessed to be married do a Christian man who provides all of the above and isnâ€™t so heavenly minded that heâ€™s of no earthly good. Nothing but pacifism being promoted by the three from over seas.
And I thought I had commented on this story before, because something similar came up here on the News page a few weeks ago. I pointed out that even secular people are noticing the value of the church as fellowship, which I found when I listened to the Econtalk podcast (link is in the little house symbol above this post). Of course, we are dealing with a media that does not want to give any positive coverage of church-related activities. Just ask yourself--does my local newspaper list any church services or have a 'religion' or faith column? A friend showed me one that even included the sermon titles. The problem is also caused by the way Christians refer to the church--as a building you go to rather than the Body of Christ.
Bro US, I ran out of space, so let me run this by you for your consideration and response.
Let us say you are the pastor of Christchurch, in a small town in Texas. In the wake of mass shootings throughout America, you are considering the best means to protect yourself and your congregation when you meet on Sundays and Wednesday nights.
Now let me imagine you are spiritual enough not to call a "committee meeting" and humanly discuss a human problem without recourse to God.
So instead you have two options:
1. The word of God. Does it give clarity concerning the particular new thing you are considering doing? If yes, you go ahead and either do it or don't do it, accordingly as the scripture teaches. Job done.
2. The Word of God. Ask him what to do, and wait for his reply. If he replies, do what he says to do. If he does not reply, do nothing.
Is this fair enough?
The "TWO" principle will apply to anything in the Christian life, and should ensure we do nothing which is against the will of God.
""'The National Education Association has partnered with the Human Rights Campaign and other groups to produce materials advocating automatic affirmation of identities, name changes and pronouns, regardless of parentsâ€™ concerns. ""
Human Rights today are NOT right --- And NOT human.
Education is now brain washing to sodomite agenda and perversion.
Yes, Frank, you have pointed out what many many churches seem to forget--God's plan is for women to be in family, and Paul's first letter to Timothy, chapter 5, talks about God's Plan for the Older Christian Woman. First, we note that she is a widow, meaning she was married at some point and her husband died. I don't see any room given for single women here, and if we think of today's society, I've read that 96 percent of people get married. Second, Paul tells Timothy that the widow's family should take care of her. If they cannot, then the church should help her, provided she has met certain 'work requirements' like doing good works, washing the feet of the saints. Younger widows should get married and raise children. It is amazing how many problems in today's society can be solved by having these guidelines followed.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: You come across two young teenage thugs beating up on an elderly lady to rob her.Â Â Do you say, I am sorry maâ€™am I cannot find any example in the New Testament where a Christian helped defend someone who was been beaten and robbed, carry on boys.Â Â Â
I agree with all of your comments that I have read. Taken to an extreme, these pacifists would not have police or military and would simply stand by while their loved ones or other helpless were being beaten, robbed, or murdered.
Perhaps I could make an argument for self-protection, but not for the protection of others.
Exodus 22:2-3 â€śIf a thief is caught in the act of breaking into a house and is struck and killed in the process, the person who killed the thief is not guilty of murder. But if it happens in daylight, the one who killed the thief is guilty of murder.â€ť
(not guilty in God's eyes)
Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Women politicians are feminists on steroids! They are thumbing their noses at the God of the bible and accepting their cultural/political god.
Children should be raised and nurtured by their mother. The fact that their lifestyles may be lowered is not a legitimate issue. Warrenâ€™s position is simply saying; â€śit is okay for moms to go out and workâ€ť instead of staying home and doing their God ordained roles as wives and mothers.
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Proverbs 22:6 - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Hillaryâ€™s infamous statement â€śit takes a villageâ€ť is being played out.
Shrinks manufacturing controversy to grab the limelight. One doesn't get degrees, fame/notoriety, and grants by reiterating the same old ideas every year. No idea, no matter how stupid or foolish, is unthinkable so long as it's new.
Christopher, excellent post! Blessed me to bits bro. This is exactly right. "...bottomless pit of junk." A lot of work, in other words, as we go from serving the flesh to walking in the Spirit. And the work will always be hampered by what is called in the trade "baggage". Them that would walk into a mall and start shooting are usually those who have the most "baggage", and need the most help. Those brought up under the nurture and admonition of the Lord are the most privileged.
"I consider trying to emulate Him, a joyful task, as opposed to an unwelcome chore." Amen and Amen!
Mike NY, thanks for your commentary. I am pondering.
Bro US, your "proof text":-
Galatians 6:9-10 KJV (9)Â And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. (10)Â As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
No, really brother, it is a clutching at straws.
You see, scripture records for us the difficulties, trials, beatings, stonings, beheadings and so on, of the saints in the NT, but not one mention, in any of those accounts, of Christians deploying weapons to save their skin. Not one. And what's more, you know that right well.
You come across two young teenage thugs beating up on an elderly lady to rob her.Â Â Do you say, I am sorry maâ€™am I cannot find any example in the New Testament where a Christian helped defend someone who was been beaten and robbed, carry on boys.Â Â Â
You at setting where you are eating and many people start getting sickÂ Â The chef says donâ€™t eat this because it has botulism.Â Â Someone unawares sits down to have the food but you donâ€™t say anything because there are no New Testament examples of Christians stopping someone from consuming food that causes sickness.
A flood has washed out a bridge but you donâ€™t attempt to warn a car driving onto it because there are no examples of Christians in the New Testament stopping someone about to drive into danger.