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Unprofitable Servant...

Apparently I didn't hit send late last night and fell asleep. The shorter version is this. Jesus suffered lashes, those were His strips. If that exact moment healed anyone of their sins then there would have been no need for Him to die in the cross, right? What it is referring to is His death because those stripes led to his death. It all refers to Him dying. How did that result in our salvation? If Jesus absolved our sins some way at that moment then our sins would be absolved and we would be saved at that moment prior to anyone's faith in 2018. I don't believe that is what happened because at best you can infer that into the texts but they never actually say that. We can know we have salvation in Christ becausethat is what the Bible specifically says.

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
Ephesians 1:7

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Romans 8:9


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Unprofitable Servant...

Isaiah 53 prophecied how Jesus was going to suffer and die for our sins. Look at verse 5 since you brought it up. He was wounded and bruised for our sins. It doesn't say Jesus paid off our sins through His suffering for our sins. Jesus died as we are appointed to die but because He was without sin He earned the right for Himself to be raised from the dead.


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John UK...

Wrong again! You really believe all it takes is knowledge of the truth and any nonbeliever will fall to their knees and repent of their sins?! A good lot they are! Wow, all it takes is knowledge alone and they will automatically believe!lol.

Jesus in no way suffered retribution on my behalf other than He suffered a sinners death. Do you suppose His pain paid for anyone's sins? How much pain does it take to pay off idolatry or adultery for example? So that would be each person multiplied by all of their sins. Jesus would still be on the cross suffering if that was the case.

The fact is that Jesus alone lived a sinless life and only being clothed in His righteousness can we be saved from the wrath of God for our sins. It's like the angel passing the houses which had the blood of the lamb in the doorway. Jesus is like the snake on the pole who being lifted up was able to save those who believed in God to heal them.

so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
John 3:15

In Him we have eternal life and not by a payoff at the cross.


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Unprofitable Servant...

Those who believe are not condemned in Christ. That is the context.

When does verse 3 say that happens?

For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
Romans 8:3

God took away the condemnation at the cross when Jesus was offered up as a sin offering. However, to whom is that freedom from the law of sin and death given? To those who are in Christ!

so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 8:4‭, ‬9‭-‬11‭, ‬14


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Unprofitable Servant...

Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:1

It confirms what I am telling you because what I am telling you is biblical. When a believer is placed in Christ that person is no longer condemned because they are then clothed in the righteousness of Jesus Christ who saves them.

Dr. Tim...

That wanted was changed through the preaching of the gospel and not some kind of hocus pocus.


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Unprofitable Servant...

When someone believes, they are baptized into Jesus Christ, not the cross. Why is that so important? If Jesus died on the cross but we are never placed in Him, we will not be clothed with His righteousness and be saved. What Jesus did at the cross doesn't transfer over. That's because Jesus didn't absolved individual sins at the cross. He alone was worthy to escape death because He alone is righteous and if you want to escape death, you must be clothed in His righteousness through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.


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John UK...

God carried out the death penalty. Death came both physically and spiritually. If a day is as a 1,000 years to the Lord, then Adam died physically that day. Also, the very day that Adam sinned, he was eternally separated from God.

I think the preacher was being more honest than a typical Calvinists because he was saying he was a sinner who at some point didn't want to come but was overwhelmed by God's grace. In Calvinism, it is taught that God makes people believe contrary to their own nature. Their sinful state of unbelief must be overwhelmed by force against the person's will. So as to make them believe and be willing to believe. After all, isn't it just the inability to believe that keeps sinners from doing the right thing and believe?


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Unprofitable Servant...

Through Adam's disobedience many were made sinners and through the obedience of the second Adam many were made righteous. If Adam hadn't been disobedient, many would not have become sinners. If Jesus hadn't been obedient, many would not become righteous.

Here's one way to show Federalism is incorrect and just another inconsistent doctrine of Calvinism.

If many were born guilty of sin because Adam sinned as their representative, then likewise, many would have to be born saved because Jesus died for their sins. Faith would be a mere formality. Not to mention we would be looking to the event of the cross as our savior and not Jesus. There would no longer be a necessity to be filled with the Holy Spirit. We wouldn't need to obtain His righteousness because His representation at the cross would suffice.


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John UK...

I've had discussions here with many who hold that the world is the elect, which is the total opposite of what the world means. I could always strive to be smarter and better read! Calvinism is definitely a made-up theology that's why I am opposed to it. My pastor doesn't speak out to much about Calvinism. I've told you where I go and you can easily watch sermons from him to verify what I am saying is true. I'd say the majority of the pastors I've known are Calvinst. One of the pastors at the Wednesday night service a couple weeks ago was talking about how he was dragged kicking and screaming into the kingdom. So not sure where you get the idea you do about the preachers I hear.

If we sinned in Adam we would be guilty of our father's sin and I already showed you where you were wrong about that.

But the sons of the slayers he did not put to death, according to what is written in the book of the Law of Moses, as the Lord commanded, saying, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the sons, nor the sons be put to death for the fathers; but each shall be put to death for his own sin."
2 Kings 14:6

We of our own accord sin and bring about our own death and by death I mean eternal separation from God. For we are already born with the curse of being appoint


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Unprofitable Servant...

For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Romans 5:19

Through Adam's disobedience many have become sinners and through the obedience of the second Adam many have become righteous. If Adam hadn't been disobedient, many would not have become sinners. If Jesus hadn't been obedient, many would not become righteous.


News Item5/25/18 5:53 PM
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John UK...

I'm talking to you but others are listening. I said, "we know what the word means."

Right, you can't break the law if there isn't any but you can break the law of your conscience. It says they sinned but not in the same way as Adam. He broke a direct command.

NeedHim...

I never said children were born perfect. Innocent is different than perfect. I have boys, I know they aren't perfect! Guilty people can't go to Heaven when they die regardless of their age or mental capacity. It is the logical conclusion to what you believe but you are unwilling to say so because you know it is a horrible stance to take. Your conscience and the Holy Spirit bears witness against it. There goes another leak in the boat!


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Cont.

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-
Romans 5:12

It says sin entered into the world. Hmm, that must mean the elect only! Not really because we know what the term world means. This is because all people have sinned.


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John UK...

Okay, here's my "take" on it.

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
Romans 5:18

The man was Adam. His offense was eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. As a result, judgement came down on all people. Resulting in condemnation.

So I ask, what was the judgement?

To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you." Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. "Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."
Genesis 3:16‭-‬19

Then I ask, why are we condemned also?

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and deat


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John UK...

If you want to believe you are guilty for the first sin of Adam I can't stop you, but you are then saying Jesus was also. Of course you wouldn't do that so now you will have to come up with a way to plug up that whole on the sinking ship call Calvinism.

You have to believe in unconscious belief because if you don't that means you are inconsistent. Okay, maybe you do. However, if a person puts forth the effort to believe than it is something they did which led to their salvation and we can't have that!

Yeah, Jesus died for the world. In your way of thinking that could be ten people! That would mean there are some people you care about more than God because you want them saved and God won't bother too.

Believe me, I'm smart enough to realize this stuff on my own.

Unprofitable Servant...

We are the recepients of our own guilt. We can't blame Adam. You must think all of the aborted babies and all of the mentally handicap die and go straight to hell no fault of their own!


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John UK...

Thanks for proving my point! It's a scheme for dealing with inconsistentancies within Calvinism. It's a way of trying to take our responsibility to believe out of the equation. Without any action of yours you are guilty because Adam sinned as your representative and without doing anything you were unconsciously made a believer and therefore saved because Jesus suffered for all of your specific sins as your representative. Everyone else you love and care for we're left out. Sorry bud, those are the breaks of fatalism!

Unprofitable Servant...

Sorry about the typo in your name last time. That was unintentional.

NeedHim...

No doubt people suffer the consequences of Adam's sin.


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John UK...

The word federalism is not in scripture. It is a term coined by Calvinists who try to make sense of their nonsensical idealogy.

Deut. 24:16 has a lot to do with Adam. If he fathered all of mankind,it can't be said that we are somehow guilty of his sin. God is fair.

The Bible says Jesus was as we are, yet without sin. So if we are born guilty, so was He. However, I don't think He was born responsible for the action of Adam any more than we are.

Unless Servant...

Look at the genealogy of Jesus. It starts with who? It literally says Jesus is the Son of Adam.

Romans 5:12 says, death passed upon all people because all people have sinned. The term sinned is in the past tense because the people already sinned and therefore death passed on to them as a result.


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Unprofitable Servant...

The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
Ezekiel 18:20

Once a person sins, it says they will die.


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Yes, I believe that we have a clean slate until we sin. The problem is we are separated from God and our fallen body of flesh has it's appetites, so we are bound to sin.

We suffer consequences for Adam's sin but we are not punished for them


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John UK...

If your doctrine is named for something not actually taught in scripture, you might be wrong. Federalism isn't specifically taught in the Bible, so be careful. I don't believe it myself for that very reason. All you proved is that sin and death entered the world because Adam sinned. As James Thomas pointed out, we still aren't guilty of another person's sins. We are guilty of our own.

“Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin.
Deuteronomy 24:16

However he did not execute their children, but did as it is written in the Law in the Book of Moses, where the Lord commanded, saying, “The fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall the children be put to death for their fathers; but a person shall die for his own sin.”
II Chronicles 25:4

Etc, etc, etc.


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John UK...

And that would be because of this:

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Romans 5:12

All have sinned. Adam set the example to which we follow. No doubt because of the fall we will sin, but we are not guilty of someone else's sin.

The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
Ezekiel 18:20

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