Hey Christopher! Loooonnnggg before there were contraceptives, women still weren't the Duggers. Racheal, Leah, Sarah, Hannah, Mary the mother of Jesus, Ruth, Mrs. Noah - only a few kids. Come to think of it, apart from Eve, I can't think of anyone save Mrs. Job who had a passel of kids herself... I'm sure there's someone, but I can't think of them at the moment. I do know those women all prayed diligently for children. Some say it was to secure their standing in society, but according to Hannah's story, it was about the blessing of children; they are after all, a blessing, not a burden or curse. It is, as open said, God who is in control of this, not man. We fiddle and muddle stuff up - we use fertility treatments or contraceptives and play a role but I dare say we've overstepped our bounds and it isn't a role we are supposed to be in.
About the "what's in an egg": I would have the opinion that "Don‚Äôt you know that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God? You are not your own", (1 Corinth 6:19). Otherwise you run into the fertility treatments where you can sell an egg - if it's just an egg, not fertilized, then so what? Problem is, it is "the seed" and when you start looking up "the seed" in the Bible... Well, it's a big pie
Stu, I don't think they have PP in England; right Lisa? However, it's this wretched feminism that's birthed Planned Parenthood and the ideas behind "freedom" for women. Sadly, it has parted us from God's place for women and made that role offensive, breeding discontentment and a terrible arrogance against God's plan for man and woman. It's drawn us to believe there is God's will outside the home fires that will give us contentment; birth control that will give us "only what we can handle"; and marriages that make sure we are getting our fair share. Womankind has by-in-large, removed our freedoms and replaced them with conceit and shallow-believism. We rob ourselves of the peace that passes all understanding.
"Every wise woman builds her house, but a foolish one tears it down with her own hands." (Proverbs 14:1).
Ok, now wait a minute here folks! Lisa, are you saying the OT is useless? There was no "law" sited in these OT texts - that's another discussion anyway. The OT is just as relevant today as it was thousands of years ago! Back to the topic, there are many, many things the Bible doesn't address - brushing our teeth, sports activities, airplanes, computers - but it fails in absolutely NO AREA to guide us in real terms of how we are to conduct ourselves. So while the Bible may not say, "thou shalt not use contraceptives" the question is much bigger - who should control reproduction. To whittle down a subject to a "finer point" is the best way to wriggle out of truth. Kids do it all the time, "Mom said we couldn't have a cookie; but she didn't say we couldn't have two!" I would challenge us to not pick at the crumbs then but look at the whole pie - this isn't about birth control - it is about reproduction as a whole. As a Christian, do we have the right to impose on God our own knowledge and understanding when it comes to childbearing? I believe the Bible is as clear as day on this and only through discarding bits and pieces of the Bible, here and there, can one come to the conclusion that God is silent on this topic. He is most certainly not. His regard for children, from
Lisa, I hope most of your conclusions result less from Christian friends and more from Christ's word. My husband and I grabbed a concordance, looked up children, childbearing, and womb. It didn't take long to get the drift of the message. Afterwards, we looked up fruitful. The blessings and curses are clear and distinctive. Had I asked my friends, however, I would have received kindly but unscriptural advice - more "well, I think" or "what's worked for me" or "I just think a lot of this is cultural". The Bible transcends cultural differences and brings us all into one body, albeit, a diverse one. Yet, the Word of God is interested in God's will only. Our joy is in allowing Him to align us to His will where we might find peace and true happiness. I'll be praying for God to lead you as He will!
"Don't you know that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought at a price. Therefore glorify God in your body." (1 Corinthians 6:19, 20)
"and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me." (Galatians 2:20)
"For Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. But she will be saved through childbearing, if she continues in faith, love, and holiness, with good judgment." (1 Timothy 2:13-15)
"Therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, I urge you to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God; this is your spiritual worship." (Romans 12:1)
"Then Jesus told them, 'Give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar‚Äôs, and to God the things that are God‚Äôs.' And they were amazed at Him." (Mark 12:17)
So, to whom does your body, including any reproductive rights belong to, speaking as a Christian?
Cont... But we are called to be discerning with the responsibilities God has given us and not throw pearls to swine. There is nothing kind about helping lazy people who have an entitlement mentality. There is everything kind and good in helping those who are truly in need and not abusing God's good graces.
"I have not coveted anyone‚Äôs silver or gold or clothing. You yourselves know that these hands have provided for my needs and for those who were with me. In every way I‚Äôve shown you that by laboring like this, it is necessary to help the weak and to keep in mind the words of the Lord Jesus, for He said, ‚ÄėIt is more blessed to give than to receive.‚Äô ‚ÄĚ (Acts 20:33-35 HCSB)
Jim, seriously? My seven year old even knows better than to make the "Well, the Bible doesn't talk about toilet paper and airplanes" comment. The Bible is a code of conduct, given as command, instructions, rebukes and exhortations to strive to do GOD'S will and not my own. The government was given a role and that role outlined in Exodus. SJ already addressed your twisting of the good Samaratin who performed out of love and not coercion; reread the story. And Dorothy and you stooping to the level of "hard hearted" and "you may think it is Biblical to let people die along the roadside": 1 Timothy 5:8, Prov 26:15,16; 20:4; 22:13; 20:4; 18:9; 31:27; 13:2; 21:25-26; Ecclesiastes 11:4; 1 Corinthians 4:2; Romans 12:11; 2 Timothy 3:10; Matthew 25:26-30; Hebrews 6:12; Ephesians 5:15-16. (That took forever to type.)
They are absurd arguments and reveal little more than a strangely humanistic view in sheep's clothing. Take a look at Ruth's story - even in her misery and poverty, she still had to WORK yet was shown great care and mercy through Boaz. I have never met a Christian who wanted people to die on the road side and passed by like the hard hearted Pharasies. (Cont...)
Jim, SOME people want universal healthcare. Those people with a biblical worldview, however, tend to be repulsed by the fact that we are forced to pay for others who may not fall under the biblical guidelines of needing care while these same Christians struggle to take care of and pay for their own families in a BIBLICAL way. I, for one, DO NOT want universal (stealing) healthcare. There is absolutely zero biblical backup for mandatory/ forced healthcare in the Bible.
Just as an FYI, in Glendive, Montana, there is a great dino museum and the director is a young earth Creationist. He's done a number of video interviews with Ham and Davis and others. It's a pretty great place if you're in this neck of the woods!
Also, there's a mountain in western Montana called Black Butte. It's only accessible for maybe two months out of the year because it's so high and there's always snow there. But for the intrepid mountaineer, you can climb it and find tropical fossils - shells, plants, fish galore! Now how else would they have gotten there...? Our kids LOVE the Johnathan Park series and I have to admit my husband and I learned a lot (and were entertained) by listening to these radio drama's in regards to how the flood of Noah is where we find our fossil record. Great tool for those just wanting to learn more about all the pieces of the great flood, along with their kids.
Dolores, what is the purpose of church? Isn't it for hearing the word of God, partaking in the Lords Supper, being encouraged by fellow believers? I don't think, and I know this is highly unpopular, but, dear sister, I really don't believe you can find anywhere in Scripture where the meeting together of the body of Christ on the Lord's Day is a mission field. We are commanded to go out and preach the Gospel, but I have come to find that corporate church service is a Spiritual banquet commanded by God. Therefore, the quality of the food must be inspected to be proven good and right. I was raised in the SDA church and have attended a Charismatic Foursquare church for a number of years. As maturity in Christ grows, I can see why and how He used those churches but I also see why He keeps moving my family forward out of false teaching. Because God uses the people and places around us to step us toward Him may not necessarily mean they are correct, just that God can turn our weakness and ignorance into His strengths. No I'm not saying you are anymore ignorant or weak than the rest of us, . Be encouraged, knowing we are just striving for understanding!
GS and Lisa, we'll be praying for you both to find a place where God's word is true and honored as it should be. We too m
"Pay careful attention, then, to how you walk ‚ÄĒ not as unwise people but as wise ‚ÄĒ making the most of the time, because the days are evil. So don‚Äôt be foolish, but understand what the Lord‚Äôs will is. And don‚Äôt get drunk with wine, which leads to reckless actions, but be filled by the Spirit: SPEAKING TO ONE ANOTHER in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and making music from your heart to the Lord, giving thanks always for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, submitting to one another in the fear of Christ." (Ephesians 5:15-21 - my emphasis added)
John Y, the Gospel is simple, but it isn't easy (hence the narrow versus broad roads). What you are saying, using the biblical example of us being Christ's bride is, "Well, we said 'I do!' I can just relax and do whatever I want now with no more thought of it!" It's a labor of love, striving to GROW UP and mature, finding community in the body of Christians. You are very much in need of some serious Bible studying. "Finally, brothers, rejoice. Become mature, be encouraged, be of the same mind, be at peace, and the God of love and peace will be with you." (2 Corinthians 13:11). If you stay where you are, you will continue to be of the same mind as those and your peace will be short lived.
Frank, John UK, GS and Dorcas - that was awesome! Not you but watching the sword of God RIGHTLY divide the Word, wielded in kindness, might I add. Not all will agree, but I pray those people will take to heart what you've said and allow the Holy Spirit to bring them to clear understanding.
SF, received an oh-so-encouraging note from an older gentleman from church the other day. He commented on how we raise our daughters nowadays "...to be independent, create in them a spirit of independence to help them be better wives and mothers. But this is balderdash. It is unbiblical! You were created to be dependent upon a man, be it father, brother or husband - ultimately Christ. Outside of these, you are only a shell carrying womanly assets, nothing more. Your fulfillment to God is in a specific, necessary, beautiful, godly-purposed role. Where such a man is absent, to Christ you give your all IF and until He places such a man in your life. Please continue to raise your daughter to know this."
We have lost this sound, blessed biblical teaching. It has cost our girls and now the women around us more than we can recover in this generation. (Btw, before I get the "not every woman has a father/brother,etc...", God purposed for those circumstances, too! Ruth, 1 Peter 3, Esther, widows' role. He left not one of His daughters without spiritual guidance for their station in life.)
Women working outside the family circle is unbiblical. We are commanded in Titus 2 to do our all for our family; however unpopular, SF is right. Back in Eden, after the fall, God cursed Eve in childbearing and Adam in hard labor - too many of our husbands and women condem women (themselves) to BOTH curses. Our curse was not toiling labor for the support of family, although in Proverbs 31 we are to be strong for the work we are called to.
My husband pointed out that the woman in this article has little information included about herself so I assumed since she was refered to as "Ms." there was likely no husband involvement. Often these types of jobs allow single women some schedule movement to accommodate their childrens' schedule. I was simply commenting on the number of Christians who seem to be acting like the homosexual agenda group who purposely take a job that does not meet their "requirements" and then complain and sue for the discrimination they face. We shouldn't cause such disputes this way! It smears Christianity at best and, at worst, demotes us into another bickering, bitter group of religious nuts.
There are things that must be done on the Lord's Day - sick people in the hospitals need care; criminals need to be dealt with; fires need to be put out; etc. Disabled children need care and as this mother has three children of her own, she should be well aware that this includes weekends. This is not a correct representation of Christianity in motion for Christ healed on the Sabbath. There would be so many opportunities to draw those she serves on Sunday into a circle of worship - what a lost opportunity! Instead she will be lumped into the Muslim costume tirades, Atheist complaints and agnostic arguments and she'll STILL loose.