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 10/18/07 10:43 PM |
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WOMI, I will address the Gill quote first. He isn't bringing out the fact that election is for the Jew only, but on the contrary, that even though the Jews don't like it, God has also elected individuals who are Gentiles. That is why Paul anticipated the response he would get from his readers. As good Jews, they would have a hard time accepting this, even as believers; just look at Peter's response in Acts when he was told to go to a Gentile home to preach the gospel. Paul was dealing with this all the time. That is why, in verse 6, Paul states that physical lineage doesn't necessarily make one a true Jew in the dispensation of grace. His point is spiritual heritage, which we see in the rest of the chapter, again, pointing out that God will choose whome He wills. Got to get to bed. Nighty night1 |
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| 10/13/07 9:34 PM |
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JD, "You have never responded to any of my points and you are demanding I respond to yours? Give me a break!" Not true! I have responded to many of your points and you reply with a strawman or insults. I didn't give scriptural references, but the main points of my post are biblically justified; ie-God is sovereign. God is eternal. God calls, justifies, sanctifies, and glorifies. God elects. The problem is that you CAN'T argue with the post because you know deep down in your heart that may be wrong. That's okay, I'll continue to ask God to allow you to see the truth of the Bible. Have a wonderful evening.
Abigail, you obviously have been decieived and hardened, hopefully not to the point of no return. You give more credence to your precious experience than to the precious blood of Christ. How do I know? It isn't enouogh in your eyes to fall on the finished work of Christ and believe that we are baptized into His body by the working of the Holy Spirit; it MUST be accompanied by speaking in tongues! Paul himself asked the rhetorical question, "Do all speak in tongues?", with the obvious answer being NO, and yet you say that any true believer will seek this "gift" until God gives it to him! |
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| 10/13/07 4:31 PM |
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Abigail, "You cannot prove tongues are not the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost." I can prove that tongues were not evident every time the Spirit was given in the book of Acts!Acts 4:31; 9:17; 13:52; 8:37-39-Eunuch saved, no mention of Spirit. You argue from silence, I base my argument on the scriptures.
" do you think your "tongues speaking" was of the devil?" I don't believe it was from God, so what difference does it make?
Abigail, your statement to Lurker, " said all who fight against the gifts of the Spirit and against speaking in tongues as evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost are fighting against God and speaking evil of the Holy Ghost." You then tried to state that these same people could be saved. Jesus said that if we are not for Him, we are against Him. You can't have it both ways. Your stand on tongues makes it IMPOSSIBLE for someone who doesn't do it to be saved. I know you won't agree with that, but anyone reading your posts MUST come to that conclusion. "Any sincere Christian wants all of the gifts of God and seeks for them." The Spirit gives the gifts as HE SEES FIT. We are not to seek specific gifts, except for the edification of the body. Tongues only do that with interpretation, and there isn't much of that today. To be cont'd.. |
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| 10/13/07 2:34 PM |
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Jimboruni, sorry, but that's not scriptural. We are called to be separate from the world, false teachers, and sinning christians who will not repent (if you want references I'll give them. Thhey are to obvious to miss if you read your Bible). Your view is ecumenicalism, which is condemned by scripture, and will, in fact, be the one world religion of the end times (it has a pretty good start right now  ) |
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| 10/13/07 2:29 PM |
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Derek, that is exactly the point. Unless you are willing to say that mankind still has something good within it that would make it willing to seek after and want to follow Christ, then you have to admit that, without the working of a sovereign God in the lives of individuals, no one would be saved! Are you willing to say that you showed faith in Christ because you were smarter than someone else? Because you were able to see the truth of the gospel, through your own reasoning, while someone else was not? If so, than you will have room for boasting, why, because it was not the grace of God that brought you to salvation, but your own intellectual abilities. Grace covers every aspect of salvation, from start to finish. It is God's grace that draws me, causes me to understand, and gives me the faith to believe and repent. If not, then I have added something to the process and it is no longer grace. It was God's grace that sent Jesus to this earth to die in my stead. It was God's grace that raised Him from the dead. It is by God's grace that I will persevere to the end. It is ALL of grace, that way God receives All of the glory! |
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| 10/13/07 1:48 PM |
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JD, I want you to respond to what I wrote in my post at 12:09 PM today (Oct. 13). You have not responded to it. You keep "restating" what YOU want it to be that I said. Use quotes if you must, but be intellectually honest enough to address what I said and not what you want me to say. If not, the goal post and rules analogy will have to be brought up again. You shouldn't feel good about the way you "play the game". You are dishonest and evasive in your discussion. Think about it 
Derek, what in the world does your quote have to do with what we are talking about? We all know that it is about Jesus Christ. No one here has said that our faith is in our faith. |
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| 10/13/07 1:13 PM |
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JD, why do you continue to twist what people say? I NEVER said that election is the foundation of salvation. I agree with Alan H. and Lurker, when they posted I Cor. 3:10-11 as the foundation. You have presuppositions that you argue from, and, therefore, cannot accept our words as truw becuase they would knock out your props!
You continue to argue from those presuppositions when you refuse to answer what I wrote in my post about the difference between God's eternal perspective of salvation and our time-oriented view of it. If you will not address those points, then you will have to admit that you must continue to ercet your strawmen so that you can knock them down, and you will only be arguing with yourself. I'll tell you what, JD. God has been dealing with me about patience. I'll be a real sport and give you another chance to reply to what I SAID, not what you want to believe I said. Re-read my post, think about it, and come back with a genuine reply. Thanks  |
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| 10/13/07 12:41 PM |
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You disappoint me, JD! Instead of fruitful discussion you slander my character, question my motives, and ramble on about what YOU know, as opposed to discussing what I wrote. I'll tell you what. I believe in giving a person a second chance, so why don't you give it another go around!  |
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| 10/13/07 12:09 PM |
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JD, I know this will not suit you, but, so be it. When you speak of election as the foundation of the Reformed faith, and Christ's cross being secondary, you forget one crucial point: God did not elect before the method of salvation (Christ's cross) was devised. There was never a time where God did not know both simultaneously. This is part of who God is. In the scriptures, they must be written in the sense of time for us to understand them. Therefore, the cross, election, the effectual call, justification, sanctification, and glorification for those whom God has chosen were already a done deal. You see, the death of Christ did not make the salvation of some POSSIBLE, as you and other Arminians teach; it made the salvation of the elect DEFINITE because it was already ordained by a sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient God who is able to do according to His good pleasure because He is God. Unlike your god, mine is able to accomplish what He desires, not what His creation forces on Him. |
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| 10/12/07 10:10 PM |
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Derek, so what you believe is that foreknowledge is God looking down through time and seeing who would practice saving faith, thus making them elect? The only problem with that is Romans 8:29, which says, "For WHOM He did foreknow...". Notice it doesn't say "for WHAT He did foreknow...". God's election is not based on a knowledge of events, but simply on His sovereign desire to know people who could not, would not, be saved apart from His sovereign grace. BTW, even though you say differently, salvation and adoption occur at the same time. If they didn't, that would mean that I can be born again and yet have to wait before I become a part of His family. Is that what the Bible teaches? |
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| 10/12/07 8:11 PM |
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JD, what does Rev. 13:8 say? "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD." When does it say the Lamb was slain? We know He was not physically crucified at that time, but in the eyes of God, it was a certainty. Eph. 1:4 says that we were chosen in Christ BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD". Rev. 17:8 speaks of those whose names were not written in the book of life from BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. This must mean that there were those whose names were already written in that book BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. As you can see, JD, the foundation of christianity, the cross of Christ, and its sure conclusion the salvation and sanctification of the elect, were all ordained from BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. Your the one who likes to say, "take God for what He said and what He meant". What else could He have meant if He continuously uses the phrase "BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD"? Salvation by grace through faith in the finished work of Christ resulting in the sure salvation of the elect was known by God as a fact long before Adam ever entered the pipcture. Take the Bible for what it says, JD, and believe the truth!!! |
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