However, on his weekly message to his congregation back in October 08, he clearly stated his and the church's position as believing that marriage is between one man and one woman.

He spoke on the Frank Pastore show and cleared it up...hopefully once and for all! I believe Pastor Warren as he has always been a man of integrity.

DJC49 wrote:
I missed the point?
How is it that I missed the point?
Afterall, YOU, *Vogue*, plainly stated in your post of 3/21/09 2:16 PM that:
"We do know that if President Obama IS TO BE SAVED, he WILL need the prayers of the Righteous."
This statement of yours clearly communicates that you do NOT believe that Obama is presently saved! How else could it possibly be interpreted?
It would be one thing if you had written: "We do know that IF President Obama NEEDED TO BE SAVED, he WOULD need the prayers of the Righteous."
But that's NOT what you wrote at all.
Is it.
What you wrote is NOT something that is written about someone who is currently a Christian.
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["IS TO BE SAVED" denotes a spiritual condition which points to the FUTURE. This is reinforced by your use of "WILL" in the phrase following]

DJC49 wrote:
What's THIS, *Vogue*?
NOW, You say that President Obama needs to be saved???
What ever happened to your post-election insistence that Barack Obama is INDEED a true blood-bought, born-again Christian? Huh?
For the record, *Vogue*, please refer back to:
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/comments_view.asp?currPage=4&localsection=detail&whichtype=&keyword=Vogue&onlyname=true]]]YOUR post of 11/7/08 7:22 PM ... HERE[/URL]
To the 2 questions posed to you by poster *enough already*, namely:
1) "Vogue, quit avoiding the question, do YOU think Barack Obama is a born again Christian ...?" and
2) "Again, I ask, do YOU think Barack Obama is a blood bought, saved by God's grace, born again, regenerated in his heart Christian?"
YOU, *Vogue* (then of California) replied:
" ***YES! YES! YES!*** "
So NOW ... Obama needs TO BE saved and the Righteous need to pray for his conversion? Why?
It's evident why you're a Democrat, *Vogue*!
Scalawag.

KK wrote:
Absolutely .. W O R T H L E S S .. !!!
OBAMA IS AN UNREPENTANT REPROBATE PERIOD !!!
"Barry Sotoro" (AKA Barrack Hussein Obama) cannot be trusted !!!!!!!
His renunciation of Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. was nothing but a put-on job ------- "Barry" has one and the same heart as Jeremiah Wright and you can take that to the bank !!! ...
He is surrounding himself with perverted "ReLiGiOn", but he has not got a clue about TRUE RELATIONSHIP ---- if he did have a REPENTANT HEART he wouldn't be the conscienceless hellhound that he is !!!
America got what they ask for --- this is a muddle minded people just like this damnable lawless monster that is sitting in the White House --- he is a godless rogue. ----- ENJOY !!! ...
Obama's heart is hardened to THE TRUTH !!!
THE REAL QUESTION IS --- WILL "We" REPENT ???
Hmmm
Veritas Vincit !!!
"IN" Christ, KK

Republican wrote:
Congress controls the purse strings, and if you are referring to Clinton's surplus, it was a Republican congress that enabled that to happen.
Democrats are TAX and SPEND. Look at history.

We all know that Bush messed up the economy! While any new President must accept what has been handed to him, let us not expect a 5 week miracle given what the previous administration did in 8 years!

I am very confident that Barack Obama and the Democratic Party can cause the economy to bounce back again......in time!

Remember, it is the Democratic Party, not the Republicans that is known for having a surplus in the financial arena whenever they leave office.

Mike wrote:
No gift needed. What did he talk to get elected? Hope. What did he talk to get "stimulus"? Fear. His words, however well-spoken, shouldn't be believed. His deeds, however foolish, tell us who he is. If you can't see into his heart, take the blinders off.

I stand by my previous post. Additionally, I would strongly suggest that you pray and ask the Lord to help you to overcome your obvious bitterness.

I am going to pray hard for the President concerning those things that I strongly disagree with him about, but I don't need to trash him or to become jealous or bitter!

Michael Hranek wrote:
Vogue
If by this, there you have it, you mean Obama has shown us he is a crafty dishonest hypocrit sure. Wow! Giving a statement at the "church" of one of the foremost false teachers of our day, Rick Warren's??? IMHO Any church faithful to Christ would have clearly told this supporter of partial birth murder that he was not welcome to address their congregation.
And if makes me pause to consider that since God is Sovereign has indeed rules over kings what kind of people has God saw fit to reward with such a "messiah"? Somehow I cannot believe it is a people who if faithful to Him and to His word.

There you have it! Barack Obama has told you and the world that he believes that "Marriage" is between one man and one woman! He also said that at the RW Forum last August.

His position is no different than GWB, John McCain, and many other past Presidents that you and others have supported.

I don't get people sometimes. The Bible is so true when it says in Jeremiah 17:9: "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked: who can know it?"

Now I know that there are some "sore losers" out there, and any opportunity to denigrate the President will be undertaken by such people.

Responder wrote:
Please keep in mind that much of the slave trade was run by blacks, not whites. Evil is not a color issue. But those who want to continually blame a color do not have clean hands.

Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
No, "Vogue", YOU Still Didn't answer The FIRST Original Question:
"Why Has Mr. Obama Aggravated Further Doubt On This Most GRAVE Matter Of U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL LAW [By NOT Releasing For Public & Professional Authentication & Viewing Before The General Public His (Obama's) Original Birth Certificate]; BEFORE Mr. Obama Being (CRIMINALLY, ILLEGALLY, TREASONOUSLY & USURPINGLY Voted on 11-4-08 &) Elected President of The United States of America by "The Electoral College" this (last) December, 2008...and Most DEFINITELY Before Obama being ILLEGALLY, CRIMINALLY, USURPINGLY & TREASONOUSLY Inaugurated President of The U.S.A. (this last) January 20, 2009 ?
Obama's ORIGINAL Place of Live "Natural Birth" Has NOT Been LEGALLY Settled ! ! ! ! ! ! !

I live in America, and I have not heard of such a designation. His place of birth, etc. has been settled! Every Court has either thrown it out or not even dignified the foolishness by hearing the case.