ladybug wrote: Yes, and the spammers comments are better than that of yours, Jesuit troll. Your disgusting remark reeks of unmentionables. Your vileness will not go unnoticed. "People don't want to read bickering, backbiting as innuendo when coming here". You really should practice what you preach. tsk tsk You're quite the hypocrite aren't you? "In one of my last [letters] I was saying that I do not feel the wrath of God abiding on me; nor can I believe it does. And yet (this is the mystery), I do not love God. I never did. Therefore I never believed, in the Christian sense of the word. Therefore I am only an honest heathen" ‚Ä¶ John Wesley, from http://www.cprf.co.uk/articles/johnwesley.htm#.WVk_o4TyvGh
Bug In your own wicked way, you helped me make a point about Wesley. Wesley didn't think Grace was Irresistible. Wesley thought Grace could be turned down. Just as someone could turn down the gift of a cake, Wesley thought even grace could be turned down. I don't agree, but I certainly wouldn't insult all the fine Saints from the Methodist Church because my Reformed Church has a different doctrine about how the Elect receive Grace
I know enough about Wesley to know he received grace and is indeed Elect. You? well, lets not talk about that
Mike wrote: From the news: "Potentially the most helpful suggestion of all was a proposal calling for a Day of Prayer and Fasting in September, at the beginning of the Methodist year. It referred to 'the challenges and changes facing every community in these islands and the urgent call of God on the Methodist people to share the love of God in Jesus Christ in word and action'. Indeed, so urgent in fact, that sometime in September, there may be a day of prayer and fasting. No sense hurrying these things in the busy summer season, what with dinners and concerts and stuff.
Times a changin' in the UK....Wesley fasted two days a week, Wednesday and Friday. Anglicans fasted on Fridays
Its so unfortunate that there are so many ignorant stone throwers masquerading as GODs people here, criticizing theology they don't even understand. Wesley was much closer in doctrine to Calvin than to Arminius
The death of the Methodist Church is highly exaggerated. For every member the Methodist lose in the US and UK, they gain 2 in Africa. I will guess the Africans are much better at Preaching the Gospel & teaching the 39 articles than their western counterparts
The article more represents the failure of liberal western mainline leadership, than failure of what Wesley preached
There is a positive note in the article, they at least admit they need GOD
Mike wrote: A more revealing question might be asked, did God ever love that which became Satan?
a murderer from the beginning
John 8:44 ¬† Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Ignominious Emirakan wrote: Agreed - most cannot name the first presidents of the United States- PAYTON RANDOLPH HENRY MIDDLETON 1st CC PAYTON RANDOLPH JOHN HANCOCK 2nd CC HENRY LAURENS JOHN JAY SAMUEL HUNTINGTON Adoption of AofC SAMUEL HUNTINGTON Ratified AofC THOMAS MCKEAN JOHN HANSON --per Washington ELIAS BOUDINOT THOMAS MIFFLIN RICHARD HENRY LEE JOHN HANCOCK NATHANIEL GORHAM ARTHUR ST. CLAIR CYRUS GRIFFIN 17 dudes not named in official lists. Why? --/-//-- Some of these are on record as being spoken of and written to as president by George Washington. The more "conspiratorial minded" use gaps to make their case look like a gnostic insider's secret knowledge. But a lot of gaps in true history are lazy UN- studious parroting of previous myth. Mason & New Atlantean & New Babylon stories use gaps to weave a tale.
Those were Presidents of the Continental Congress, the position had less authority than many positions in the pre Constitution government. They were more paper pushers and moderators than head Executives
John for JESUS wrote: ladybug... You aren't good with biblical theology, so that makes me not born again? Lol.
You must understand J4J, Despite your testimony, you can be accused of being a reprobate destined for hell. But you aren't allowed to respond with an lol because you will docked SA message board brownie points by the same people that think you are on your way to hell
Chase wrote: Wow some harsh words for VBS... something that I notice with every negative comment about this program however is this; the presupposition that 1. the VBS teachers and leaders within each individual congregation are not giving children the true gospel and therefore it is more less a free childcare, and 2. all the children involved in VBS come from an unchurched family. My response would be this, would we concede that some of the teachers could knowledgeable in the Scriptures and truly be giving these children the true gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? And, aren't those children the come from a Bible believing "churched" home allowed to have fun and learn more about Christ as well? I don't deny that it can be more bad than good for kids, perhaps even most of the time, but is that due to the program as a whole or each individual congregation and the importance they place on the holy infallible inerrant word of God??? Idk ūüėä
Chase I share your sentiments, and will add one important thing. Too many churches have more qualified people to teach children. However too often the more qualified feel too important to teach VBS
Chris G P wrote: These are outside children mostly from secular homes, and occasionally from other religious backgrounds. I have heard some testimonies of people, now adults, from such backgrounds, who are now strong believers in Christ, and this came from seeds planted in a Sunday School, Holiday Bible Club or a Summer Camp. Occasionally children do come to faith on these occasions, but more often than not, seeds are sown that bear fruit later on in their young or even older adult years.
Good to hear Chris
I think our camp has been a huge positive as well for visitors and members. While I understand some programs are glitzy designed to attract kids more than teach sound doctrine, I don't think that drives people away from Church as the author suggested
Ignominious Emirakan wrote: site claims- All Scripture is (God-breathed ) But not "Given by inspiration of God" .....Inspired doctrine reproves & instructs the man of God&furnishes to all good works. -- Accept no substitutes. -- Lack of an inspired bible And No doctrine -/ Mt7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. -- 2Pet 1:19 "We have also a more sure word"
Oh boy, I stopped reading after the first two sentences
Instead of spending your days being a thorn, perhaps you should try attending John Yurichs Church? you might learn something
Get yourself a Strongs Concordance of the KJV, look up 2 Tim 3, and you will find Greek Word from the received text "őłőĶőŅŐĀŌÄőĹőĶŌÖŌÉŌĄőŅŌā" literally means "divinely breathed by GOD"
Its a compound word -theopneustos- Theo- God pneestros-breathed
This is basic stuff...12 yr old kids at Megachurches know it
Frank wrote: Have you ever pondered why "only you" accept his testimony? Don't you think it odd that all of the rest of the posters on this forum reject him? Do you have such discernment, that only you can be right? Are you really willing to say that "all" the rest of the posters are wicked? I'm sure he is impressed about the attention he gets. That is how a troll thinks! And in his case, a very childish one. I'll be interested in seeing your answers to these simple questions.
Matthew 22:14 ¬† For many are called, but few are chosen.
John Yurich USA wrote: Hey lady, The only Jesus I have always worshiped as God has been the biblical and historical Jesus. And I also worship the biblical and historical Jesus at that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings. If I gave my life to Christ some 20 years ago than I am saved and not unregenerate. And go to www.rolchastings.org and listen to Pastor Steve's sermons to put a stop to your nonsense that Pastor Steve does not preach the biblical and historical Jesus. If I was not really saved I would not have been permitted to be Baptized via immersion at that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings.
John Y, you must be impressed with all the attention you receive after all these years. Even those that vowed years ago never to respond to you, continue to respond and even attack you.
The Devil must have a Wanted poster with your picture out to his demons with a very high price on your soul. No worries, GOD will protect you(that's why the wicked are so angry)
John Yurich USA wrote: I say the Catholic Grace Prayer before meals: "Bless us O Lord and these thy gifts which we are about to receive from thy bounty through Christ our Lord. Amen.". That is the biblical and historical Jesus that Catholics believe in and worship and not a false jesus.
The fact that it is Biblical makes people angry.
John 15:18 ¬† If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
¬†¬†John 15:19 ¬† If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
ladybug wrote: Brother Dave, I encourage you NOT to give 'John from Atlanta' a platform to spew out his rhetoric. This thread will top over 300 comments if you do, for he hasn't ears to hear. He comes here to push his 'religious' agenda, and has no desire for sound truth. He's been given enough of it on these threads, no more casting pearls before swine
300 posts? Be honest .....Long multi hundred threads come up because you think you can win a debate with J4J, not because its pearls before swine
For the record, I think its awful that J4J would be characterized as swine. John for Jesus knows I don't agree with his perspective on many theological issues, but I certainly wouldn't express my responses to him as pearls being cast to swine.