John UK, Brother I believe worship is only worship if it is in spirit and truth. I don't think you're understanding this issue. The Bible does not talk about music styles. You have no scripture to back the view that a certain style of music is inherently wicked. All the verses that y'all keep quoting are great versus they help us understand worship but none of them have anything to do with a certain beat or rhythm or style of music. ---/Can we agree on that?
Yes, the NT repeatedly forces us to make these type distinctions that we are often to do things or not do things in the presence of the people of God that personally might be edifying for us. This is a central principle in much of Paul's teaching to the churches. We are not to look not only our own interests but the interest of others, we are to do what is most edifying to the whole of the body, but when I'm alone in my room I don't have to think about what is most edifying to the whole body I simply think about what is most edifying to me personally. I'm not saying this means that we can do anything we want to do obviously we still are bound to scripture and the standards of righteousness it prescribes
Brothers I think it's important to make a distinction here none of my arguments have been that all these forms of music are OK and corporate worship settings corporate worship settings where the church is gathered demand a greater reverence in an orderliness that some forms of music would probably contradict, but nowhere in Scripture does God prohibit for our own personal edification we cannot listen to music with rock beats that has theologically rich biblical lyrics. I'm not arguing that into Sunday morning worship service all forms of music are always appropriate they are not but we have to make a distinction between what is appropriate when the church gathers and for our own personal worship. And the question is which one is most edifying to the body as a whole? Which one allows us as a church to set our hearts and minds upon Christ? There will be some songs that will be less edifying than others in corporate worship but every church should avoid types of music that would blatantly offend those who might visit
John UK, I agree with you. I don't think Christian rap will be in heaven, I don't think many forms of Christians music will be in heaven, I don't think many of our hymns will be there, I think we will have new songs and redeemed minds that won't stumble over all the rhythms and styles because we will be so captivated by the beauty and glory of Christ.
But for now... it's wise for us to sing to the Lord with all our heart in as many styles of music we're able to, obviously some won't edify as much as others, but we need to be very careful condemning non-Western types of music, for example African tribal beats when many around the world aren't Western Americans and those styles edify them and they are able to express their affection for Christ through them.
John, I agree that Christ is the example in all things, the problem is Jesus never condemned rap music, obviously it wasn't around back then, but neither were lots a styles of music. Music styles cannot be inherently sinful in and of themselves because the Bible never condemns them, only bad lyrics
Good biblical points Chris and John, I'm not longer going to go to restaurants or get my hair cut at the barbers shop or shop at the store, because "the world" does that stuff, they love hair cuts, and shopping and eating in public restaurants, and do these things with corrupt hearts and motives and since we're called to not be like the word, I guess I need to buy that plot of land in Alaska (off the grid) where I can live off the land, but wait... I know worldly people who like living off the land so I can't do that either.
Your argument is not only unbiblical, but it's illogical, where does it end? How do you discern what is worldly and what isn't? Obviously we make those judgments based off of what the Bible explicitly call sinful. The Bible doesn't condemn styles of music but lyrics that do not profit the hears. Any music no matter the genre that has lyrics that are unprofitable are wrong and any music that has lyrics that are edifying and true in accord with truth are permissible. We may not personally be edified by a certain style of music but it doesn't mean our brother or sister in Christ is not edified if the lyrics are good. And I agree with those of you who criticize Jesus culture and Bethel as being unprofitable because they come from a false theology in the churc
Chris G.P, can you give some scripture to back those strong statements? You think you have a high view of the gospel, but in reality it's very low view. If they are preaching a false gospel, it's obviously wrong, but to say they "will" fall away is a low view of God's preserving grace in a believers life. If they are converted they will stay, you could even say "inspite of less than ideal evangelism means" but to make the emphatic statement you make is without scriptural warrant.
Yes, we have two girls from our church who compete and they've been memorizing whole books of the Bible in a few months, then memorize another. I'll ask "what are you working on?" I'm memorizing John 15-17" or another week, "I'm memorizing the book of James, and Rom 3-8" ðŸ‘Š ---how can we not be convicted by this amount of discipline. The church would certainly be stronger in our day if we all disciplined ourselves half this much as these 12yr olds
Hey John UK that quote from Spurgeon is actually taken out of context to be legitimately used in this discussion, that's not the point Spurgeon is making, he's actually contradicting what your trying to prove. He's speaking about the supernatural ability God has randomly given with him with his own knowledge of a person or situation to speak directly to them in ways he couldn't understand. Spurgeon is actually making the opposite point you are
I'm sorry, there's a difference in people opposing your church because of your stance on the gospel and word of God, and because you've been overly vocal and overly public about your support of Trump. May the Lord reveal to Dr. Jeffers his error
There wasn't anything in the article, but I don't believe the article was unbiased (few are) we don't have all the details, possibly he was mistreated, but more likely as I've seen similar incidents over the years with customs and Christians claiming to be persecuted it becomes clear as you look into that the person was being difficult with the officer, people tend be easily offended in TSA lines.
Highly disagree with many of you on the wastefulness of continuing to produce more bibles and translations as a waste of money, many things are a waste of money, probably many things we spend lots of money on, bibles are probably not one of them.