Michael Hranek wrote:
Observation Post
Can anyone be save, and that would be from the wrath of God apart from justification?

prepgirl410 wrote:
No, Salvation is by faith AND Works. Our Lord makes this very clear in many parables.

Mike wrote:
Even a literalist can recognize figures of speech.

He teareth in his wrath, who hateth me: he gnasheth upon me with his teeth; mine enemy sharpeneth his eyes upon me. They have gaped upon me with their mouth; they have smitten me upon the cheek reproachfully; they have gathered themselves together against me. God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked. (Job 16:9-11)

It seems to me that such expressions represent the reactions of the ungodly children of Satan who in the bitterness of their ungodly familiar spirit react angrily when presented with the Truth and their vile heart has been convinced of sin. Their eternal fate is then sealed and the wrath of God abides on them until the day of judgment because they received not the love of the Truth that they might be saved.

DJC49 wrote:
I'd venture to say that being utterly "destroyed from among the people" should they "not hear that Prophet [Jesus Christ]" IS certainly tantamount to losing covenant blessing!

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2Cr 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ. (2 Cor 2:15-17)

The problem with an absurdly literal hermeneutic is that spiritual realities escape unnoticed.

Casob wrote:
We have not been commenting on Deut, we have been commenting on Acts.

Correction. YOU have been commenting on Acts with blinders on forcing it to conform to your theology. Yet Peter quoted Deut 18:15 so the context in Deuteronomy is imperative to understanding the Acts passage.

Casob wrote:
And I can not tell you how silly and frightened you will be when you present yourself at the judgment and try to defend the utter foolishness that you men put forth here. I am warning you not to show up before God to answer for such claims. It will not bode well for you! Beware!

While I suppose empty warnings and vain rhetoric might impress some of the viewers they do nothing but stimulate a from the rest of us.

preacherjond wrote:
I'm not sure what this survey is getting at, but Paul wrote the very words of God, and what Paul wrote is not Pauls perspective, but Gods perspective and God's views and thoughts.

[URL=http://www.thepaulpage.com/Summary.html]]]New Perspective summary[/URL]

Lance Eccles wrote:
Yes, Michael, prayer to her that she might pass our prayers on to Jesus, to whom she is much closer than we are.

Can't get any closer than that except ye be .........

Peter said...

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

To which all His will answer...

KK wrote:
Yesterday another message was given on Romans 8:28-39

KK wrote:
Far too many use these verses to support their own ReLiGiOuS version of O.S.A.S. ... they utilize these verses to negate all the other scriptures GOD has set forth as WARNINGS to Believers "IN" Christ, thereby absolving themselves and those who hear them of all responsibility --- YES, DENYING GOD'S REQUIREMENT FOR **SELF-DISCIPLINE**, **ACQUIESCENTS** AND **MORAL UPRIGHTNESS**

Thanks for your post. As I said in my first post; at present time there are personal reasons that prevent me from actively contributing to this discussion but I wanted to acknowledge your reply with appreciation.

In light of your comments what is your take (or anyone for that matter) on this verse from Paul.

Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

I opened up this survey which seems appropriate so the current discussion could continue here. I won't be able to contribute much if at all but would enjoy seeing the views of others who want to contribute to reasoned and civil discussion.

MurrayA wrote:
So let me make a suggestion to Observation Post, Preacher, DJC49, and any others who are getting frustrated with him: why not simply ignore his posts completely for the incoherent drivel that they are, and have a rational discussion among ourselves?

For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law....

...thy circumcision is made ***uncircumcision***.

Casob wrote:
It was not I who brought this up as a proof text, it was the fellow who calls himself preacher. I have asked him to prove what he said from the text but he has done nothing but rufused.

Casob wrote:
I will outline this chapter so you can see the main points if you ask me to. I am your servant!