John UK Wrote: "Your point of interest concerning the lack of breadth of theology within the Psalms, I would answer like this: theology is not ever to be taken from one portion of scripture, but the whole book (which is a collection of books - biblia)."
Hey John, while I agree, we're talking about singing itself, and it seems to me that when it does come to praise and worship through song, Psalms only wouldn't be all-encompassing; lacking the entire revelation.
"The way you word this, it's almost as if you are saying it is a manmade device called "exclusive psalmody", therefore it is to be discounted as incorrect. However, if you were to say, "God forbids the church to sing uninspired hymns", you are saying, "This is not found in scripture."
I don't think I'd say, incorrect, but like I've said, to me, exclusivity makes Psalms only, incomplete, when it comes to praise and worship through song, by excluding the incarnation, death, resurrection, and more.
Ephesians 5:19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord.
Paul seems to be speaking with broad instructions here, and without limitation, such as corporate worship.
Understood, but one thing at a time for me. I'm still sorting out the exclusionary Psalms singing, and looking at it scripturally, and historically.
One point of interest for me (that I read), is that the Psalms don't explicitly reflect the full range of trinitarian revelation: the incarnation, life, ministry, death and resurrection, ascension, or the gift of The Spirit to the church. Strange that a principle requiring explicit biblical support for worship practices should require those practices to refer to the central truths of biblical revelation only implicitly. Seems that the Psalms shouldn't be the sole way of the church, because if they were, it would cause an imbalance (the full range of the revelation) in its theology.
Also, an exclusive psalmody forbids the church to sing ‚ÄúJesus, thou joy of loving hearts,‚ÄĚ ‚ÄúHow sweet the name of Jesus sounds,‚ÄĚ and ‚ÄúHoly, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty", but it's explicitly commanded to sing ‚ÄúO daughter of Babylon, doomed to be destroyed, blessed shall he be who repays you with what you have done to us! Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!‚ÄĚ and Psalm 109:6-20 with its outpouring of curses, etc., etc.
Sorry, one last comment...I should mention that, to be fair, I've been researching the regulative principle, as opposed to just winging the topic, based upon nothing but personal opinion. I'll always go where scripture takes me, no matter what, and no matter how personally painful it might be.
I've been researching the regulative principle itself, as well as its historical context, Westminsters view of it, the practice and views of the reformed churches, prior to 1643, the biblical arguments against exclusive Psalmody, the scope of the revelation that the Psalms includes, and excludes, what exclusive Psalmody forbids and requires, and so on, so I'm doing my due diligence, and it's an interesting topic.
...but, I also understand the dangers of today's music, as well as many manmade hymns that are not inline with scripture. I get that Pslams only is the safe way, but to add to that, the forbidding of any musical accompaniments, is an over-the-top stretch, and unbiblical limitation, that ventures from erring on the side of caution, to the unreasonable.
The topic boils down to nothing but a matter of opinion; being subjective, and unique to each saints own personal preference. Fine, but we have no biblical warrant to claim that one is holier than the other, based upon whichever view one holds to, based upon their own understanding of scripture.
So again, is singing anything but the Psalms, and listening to, or playing a musical instrument a sin; disobediance? No? Then leave to each their own. Yes? Prove it, and I will become, forevermore, Psamlms only, and an opponent of musical int1ruments. I'll always go the way of scripture...
God gave us the ability to make melody with our voice, and the knowledge to craft instruments that make beautiful sounds. Singing and making music with instruments, during praise and worship isn't anti-thetical to singing and making music with instruments outside of praise and worship, although, all should be done unto The Lord.
Singing while in the shower, a forbidden sin? Nope. Strumming on a guitar, while singing a few lines that I created, a sin? Nope. Singing a manmade hymn that falls inline with scripture, a sin? Nope. Singing in praise and worship, within a church setting, and accompanied by the soft sound of the piano, a sin? Nope. Singing anything but Psalms, while also using musical accompaniments, an aggregious sin? Nope. One of the signs of a true, blue conversion; one's salvation, is only singing the Psalms, and forbidding musical instruments? Nope. The sign of an obedient church is one that sings Psalms only, and considers any instruments, taboo? Nope.
Sing, and dance, and make music unto The Lord. Praise His holy name with happiness, and a joyful heart. Sing Psalms only, and be ye holy, or be in disobediance, and be damned. Hmmm.
Bottomline question: Is appropriate singing and musical instruments during praise and worship, of the devil?
Oh, that poor, poor baby. I'm so glad that God saw fit to spare her life, and the lives of her parents. Praying that she snaps out of the amnesia, and that there won't be any lasting damage. Poor little girl.
QC, that was a really great point you made about potential consequences from their false gods if any deviants; any enemies of their own gods, weren't eradicated, etc.
Thank you, Lord, for choosing to spare that family...
Such a shame, this, but especially the Odessa/Midland shootings that had casualties, with one of the victims, a mere 2yr old child. Senseless, selfish acts. I can't imagine the parents grief right at this moment. So sad.
Then, there's 17yr old, Deangelo Parnell, being charged with nine counts of attempted murder at the Alabama football game. He had his entire life ahead of him, but has chosen to spend the rest of it, most likely, in a prison jumpsuit.
Remove God from the equation; teaching the kids that life has no purpose, makes no logical sense, that we all evolved from grunting primates, and that death is nothing more than oblivion, and it's a recipe for disaster. Human life has lost its value, to many, who have become so callous, thanks to a public education/indoctrination, absent parents, an increasingly Godless society, and among other catalysts, liberals and agendas gone mad, who have split a nation, and caused great harm to so many impressionable, maleable young minds.
Dr Tim Wrote: "Christopher wants to be buried in his shopping cart. He‚Äôd prefer to die first, but with the odor he puts off it‚Äôs hard to say whether he‚Äôs dead or not. If he‚Äôs snoring, let him be."
Now, why is it that I always seem to be the focus of your rage? I've never been anything but supportive, honest, and kind. I've even tried to council you, concerning your appearance; trying to convince you that it's not your fault, and that it's okay that you're not counted amongst the normal people. I've never teased you about your forest clearing, wildlife killing, odor, or your left eye that's always looking towards the sky. Yet, my thanks is incessant insults. I don't get it. I'm the one person who has tried to understand, and empathize with your kind.
Dr Tim Wrote: "Are you kidding, Lurker? I went to the only elementary school in Georgia that had regular visits by NFL scouts and Marine Corps recruiters."
Makes sense when the elementary school was all obese, 18-50yr olds, and probably all named, Jethro. Marine Corps recruiting you all to be used as human sandbags, and the NFL, to fill sinkholes in the fields.
Sounds like the government is complicit, and arming the herdsmen. I didn't know that.
We live in such relative safety, and can't begin to imagine scenes like this, or being the loved ones and survivors who have to deal with the aftermath of not only death itself, but the images of those being hacked to death.
Just a Guy Wrote: "If they think that physical or mental mutilation will make them happy, they need to go read the thousands of years of history that show that humans have never found contentment in the things of earth."
Seems to me that when it comes to the kids, it's more of a fad, born out of the sodomite, progressive liberal agenda of confusion, which includes their own irresponsible parents. I think, sooner than later, many, once they mature, are gonna ask themselves, "What have I done?", and then what...severe depression? Suicide?
The very people who say they're all about the children, protecting them, claiming to be their advocates, and doing what's best for them, are the ones also responsible for all of the gender remourse suicides, as well as the ones to come.
Parents now allowing 3yr old children to decide whether they want to be a boy, a girl, or neither, not to mention allowing 9yr olds to take hormone blockers? Beyond sickening.
Another shouted, "Nobody wants to hear you, give the mic back!"
"Separation of church and state!" an O'Rourke supporter said.
"Shut up! And go to church!" shouted another.
...the former congressman later said "my bad for giving the mic out."
The response that sticks out to me is: "Its 2019!", which really wraps up where this nation is, as the next generation has evolved beyond any need for some God. God is dead, God who? Genocide against The Living God, and the wildly successful agenda of those who hate Him, to erase Him from the minds of the next generation. The God of the Bible has become the butt of uncensored jokes, and the mere mention of sin gets laughed off and scoffed at as some antiquated notion, reserved for this nation's remnant of crazies.
Give it up, Beto...you're drawing 2% of an entire nation. Time to join Kirsten Gillibrand in the, nobody likes you, crying room.
John UK Wrote: "I've not heard from him yet, Christopher. I hope he is okay. We may need to press on without him. That is, if you are still interested."
I'd like to get more involved in many conversations, but my free-time is always so very limited. I really hate it when I get involved, and then can't follow-up, so that's always my conundrum. I think it often appears as if I just don't feel like discussing something any longer, and just drop off, when the fact is that I have near zero free-time to do the discussional research that I'd much rather be doing. I always hesitate saying anything at all, because I never know how far I can go with any discussion.
Anyway John, yes, I'm interested, but will let you know if time will even allow or not. I was hoping to just read along with you and Mike, or whoever.
For now, let me ask you one question: You say all evil that goes on in this world is of The Lord, as opposed to being permitted by The Lord, which is my position. My question is this: Are you building your case around Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."?
I'm surprised that, "whoever shall live by the sword, shall die by the sword", along with Christ's response to Peter in Matthew 16:23, "...get thee behind me, Satan...", is being used by yourself and BM as prooftexts against situational self-defense. The context is about defending Christ, and hindering Christ's sacrifice.
John 18:11 adds to the command to put the sword into its sheath the words, ‚ÄúThe cup which My Father hath given Me, shall I not drink it?‚ÄĚ an echo of the prayer that was uttered before in the hour of His agony. The words that Matthew gives are obviously not a general rule declaring the unlawfulness of all conflict, offensive or defensive, but are limited in their range by the occasion, situational self-defense. Resistance at that time would have involved certain death, and it would have been fighting not for God, but against Him, and against the fulfilment of His purpose.
I think it's natural to see a warning from those words that's applicable to all occasions, but in whatever other cause it may be lawful to use weapons; self-defense, it's not wise or right to draw the sword for Christ and His Truth, or in all situations.
Every commentary I've read agrees with this context.
Interesting how the Washington liberals began incorporating religion, faith, and faith-based values, all of a sudden, just recently. Anything for a vote. To hear Nancy Pelosi quote scripture into a media microphone, made me cringe, as does Pete Buttigeig, and others. Trying to use God Almighty as a political tool, and to mention Him only when it happens to suit their nefarious agandas when they need to feign empathy, etc., is a line not to be crossed, but one they cross easily, and without hesitation.
Frank Wrote" "I remember Binny Hinn's wife asking God to perform a holy enema. Amazing."
Hey Frank, yeah, it sure is amazing what these people can get away with doing and saying. Many of them cross over into the outrageous, and like you said, it's amazing how gullible people are. Seems to me that the draw is the emotionalism, along with the showmanship aspect. Who can be the most raw, the most outrageous, claim the most new revelations, be the most convincing, and read people well enough to know who will fall for their nonsense when called up to the stage for a healing, or to be "slain in the spirit", etc.
Tragic stuff, Frank, and no different than Roman Catholics placing their eternal fate in the hands of a mere man; the Pope. These people don't seem to care what God has to say about anything, either.
Woe to the deceivers, but woe to those who follow, and keep them in business as well.
II Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
I'm not. People often comment that their hope is for The Lord to come quickly. I'm guessing this won't go over all that well, but my hope is the He continues on in His patience, and tarries.
The way I see it is that the longer He tarries, 1) the more people are saved, and, 2) this may seem a bit selfish, but I want as much more time as possible to do all that I can possibly do, for Him, and to also grow and improve.
While His return is more than welcome at any moment, I, personally, hope for as much time as possible to get my own self much more prepared, to be able to do as much as I possibly can, and again, to see as many as possible, saved.