Mike wrote:
Are you a dancer? I might have to call you Fred! Now you want me to read a book. Isn't there a simple answer to these questions:
"In other words, what goes on within a person to get him to vote in such a way as to set up whom God wants? To say that the people are the means God uses to elicit votes from themselves doesn't work. What are the means used on the people?"
Is there a particular place I should go in Pink's book to find the answers? To these questions?

DJC49 wrote:
I hope that you are not implying that homosexuals who have genuinely been redeemed have no further struggle with the sin of homosexuality after their conversion. Seems to me that Scripture indicates that theirs would be an on-going battle within their carnal nature even after become new creatures in Christ. The idea that someone is instantaneously delivered from all their former snares and weaknesses holds no water especially in light of Romans 7.

voice wrote:
Dobson is correct-----
Obama is the new mouthpiece for the global elite-----today most people are naive to the intent and depravity of those who control the world's economics. He is their houseboy.

Mike wrote:
That is whole counsel, hey? However, it doesn't answer the question:
You said:
"I guess that you do not understand the whole counsel of God. He sets up whom He will but through means. Your individual vote does not put anyone in office apart from His sovereign will."
I asked:
What are the means God uses to elicit a particular vote from an individual voter, in order to put into the presidency the one whom He wants?
In other words, what goes on within a person to get him to vote in such a way as to set up whom God wants? To say that the people are the means God uses to elicit votes from themselves doesn't work. What are the means used on the people?

Mike wrote:
I'm ready for the whole counsel, as you understand it. What are the means God uses to elicit a particular vote from an individual voter, in order to put into the presidency the one whom He wants?

Mike wrote:
Great! We can save fuel and stay home on voting day.

Neil wrote:
"music writers can communicate deep theological concepts in a way that is more accessible to the younger generation."
That's laughable! Where do they get these clergymen - crack houses? When young, I wracked my brains trying to figure out what the Beatles' lyrics actually meant (if I could even make out the words). I've since learned that in pop music, lyrics are either double-entendres, heavily metaphorical, or deliberately ambiguous, when they aren't mind-numbingly repetitive.
Perhaps these clergy believe that "life is deeper than logic," so the specific lyrical content doesn't really matter. In which case then, going to the Men's Room is no different than going to church - both can be uplifting spiritual experiences.