(Personally, I'm what you might call a three-point Calvinist, since it's plain from Scripture that man is totally depraved, that God elects the saved, and that the saints will indeed persevere, but the business about irresistible grace and limited atonement is more the product of human reasoning than plain statements from Scripture, so I don't see any need to accept them.)

But now that I've probably started yet another pointless argument about Calvinism v. Arminianism, which is not my intent, because I really mean the part about "pointless," has anyone considered that America is already under judgment, and that this government is busy advancing that judgment?

Romans 1
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness...

TT wrote:
I guess President Obama does think we're stupid. This is what Hitler did: he told whoever he was talking to whatever they wanted to hear until he had enough power to silence them. And some (most) were blind enough to believe him.

Mark M. wrote:
I hate the bail-outs and the stimulus packages, but if it is my tax dollars going toward these programs, then I want the church to have the same access to these programs and venues as any other orgainization.

John 15:
[QUOTE]19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

21But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.Put that promise on your monitor and claim it!

KK wrote:
Robert's statement below sounds good on the surface, but when you cut to the heart of the matter "We The People" ARE OBLIGATED TO STAND IN THE FACE OF TYRANNY AND '''PURE EVIL''' AS GUARDS AT THE GATE TO ENSURE THAT "Our" FREEDOM IS SAFEGUARDED AGAINST THOSE WHO WOULD REWRITE "Our" TRUE HISTORY AND DISMANTLE "Our" FOUNDING DOCUMENTS THWARTING ALL THAT "TRUE MEN" HAVE FOUGHT, BLEED AND DIED TO PRESERVE !!!

My true history is the history of God's people since Adam. My founding documents are the sixty-six books in the Holy Bible. If I am required to fight, bleed and die, it will be for the glory of Christ, but it will not affect one whit the victory he has already gotten over evil and tyranny. The Lord Jesus Christ has assured us that he will preserve his victory.

The article states: wrote:
Even those who support abortion rights are concerned about the allegations.

"It really disturbed me," said Joanne Sterner, president of the Broward County chapter of the National Organization for Women, after reviewing the administrative complaint against Renelique. "I know that there are clinics out there like this. And I hope that we can keep (women) from going to these types of clinics."

The whole thing is sickening, and it is even more sickening that it takes something like this to remind us that it happens 3,000 - 4,000 times each day in the U.S.

Did Peter and John tell the Sanhedrin they were unfair for not providing funding for their ministries from the public treasury? Did Paul and Silas go about forming political factions to oppose the oppressive Roman empire? The idea that we should object that Christians are excluded from sharing in the spoils of the most massive theft scheme in American history is absurd.

Barry from Ky. wrote:
I'm just curious. Is this a success of the public education system in teaching evolution, or a failure of the Church by not teaching Creation?

Frankly, I see little point in pursuing the argument with unbelievers from an Intelligent Design perspective, because it is possible to believe in an Intelligent Designer and still deny the God of the Bible. I have met many in the visible church who refuse to take Genesis 1 and 2 at face value. If one rejects the literal interpretation of those two very plain and easily understood chapters, at what point does the literal interpretation begin?

Jim Lincoln wrote:
These people need leaders who can meet elder standards, even though they are not seminary trained. Let's hope deserving Christian assemblies will find the men.

Revelation 21:
16And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

When I was kindly confronted by someone about the basis of my belief that I was a Christian, I had to admit that it all rested on certain traditional things I had done in the past and continued to practice: baptism, communion, confirmation, adherence to certain rituals like confession. When it was pointed out to me that the best source of truth about Jesus is the Bible, and that God claimed in the Bible that it was a perfect book, I had to admit I didn't know much about it and certainly didn't study it.

When I read the Bible, and asked God to help me understand it, he did. When I saw how sinful I am, I could do nothing but ask God to have mercy on me.

He has been merciful to me. Considering my own depravity and my tendency to sin even now that I have been born from above, it is very difficult for me to worry about the sins of others. God will deal with them all.