Christopher, you ask a question that has always made me wonder something... If we go to Heaven or Hell immediately upon death, why would Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead? I mean, would he (Lazarus) be relinquished from Heavens gates and brought back, to, THIS? I'd be hoppin' mad. . I don't know and it isn't a great concern or anything; I will one day see my Saviors face. But how does raising people from the dead work for the once-no-longer-dead person...? It would almost seem cruel.
There must be room at some level, Neil, to restore a fallen sinner into the fold. No excuse for what Philips did; but we are all one step away from some similar road, but for the grace of God.
"Now there are many parts, yet one body. So the eye cannot say to the hand, â€śI donâ€™t need you! â€ť Or again, the head canâ€™t say to the feet, â€śI donâ€™t need you! â€ť But even more, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are necessary. And those parts of the body that we think to be less honorable, we clothe these with greater honor, and our unpresentable parts have a better presentation. But our presentable parts have no need of clothing. Instead, God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the less honorable, so that there would be no division in the body, but that the members would have the same concern for each other. So if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it." (1 Corinthians 12:20-26)
Wow Neil! you must lead an awfully lonely life! Last time I looked most of us were major sinners. Thus far, it appears Philips has taken the biblical approach to repentance and restoration, accepting church discipline and will no doubt suffer himself and his family for years to come. And your answer is further condemnation? Mercy?
"And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors." (Matthew 6:12 KJV)
"The clergy filled the front of the Arch Street United Methodist Church, blessing the marriage in defiance of church law," said the article.
"Church law"?! I think this should be a clue as to their deprived idea that homosexual unions are ok. Church law, huh. I always thought it was God's Law!
To be expected though... "For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new." (2 Timothy 4:3)
Will, I attended a secular college for three years and a Christian college for four. The drinking and drug abuse in the Christian college was shocking, to put it mildly. There turned out to be little to NO difference between the two, except chapel - but most of the time we tried to cheat our way out of it... My husband is an engineer and for that, obviously, you need a college degree. He is honestly the smartest man I have know (not JUST because he married me *cue angelic singing*) but even he said if he had it to do over again he would not have spent the time and money there but looked for a family economy. God has used him and blessed his work but he quite quickly adds it is in spite of a college degree. The greatest number of people on unemployment right now are college degree holders. I would also add that Frank, SF and Lady Virtue, myself included, are specifically speaking about women - what their view on men here is might be another topic. My degree and all my minors - I worked hard to pay my way through but never learned the nuts and bolts needed for marriage and children from those institutions. I learned how to "be a good individual and feminist" though! Not a good investment of money nor a God fearing, Christian woman's role.
Frank!! Completely off topic, but I just wanted to say a huge thank you for recommending "Stepping Heavenward"! Finished it a few days ago. How someone who lived a hundred years ago wrote a book referring to me, I don't know; at least the younger me; very humbling. I do pray I will be able to finish the second part of life as well as Katherine does in the book, seeing as how I started it off quite like her. It was terrifically encouraging and motivating. Thanks again! Now, you guys can continue the lively debate!
Wow, what diversity! I mean, first "Britney Spears Music Used To Scare Away Somali Pirates" and now this! I bet ALL the singers wish they could have such talent! (Pardon me while I look for some pepto...)
Apparently, after reading all of today's headlines on SA, mankind is capable of sinking to even lower lows!
Sorry, I really didn't make that clear at all... My point was, to say baptism is necessary for salvation will be based on a work I do, and since that work is wholly God's to do, it would be worked-based salvation and therefore wrong. The their on the. Cross was saved by God's power, not his own. I agree with your statement mourner.
Jurlc, yes, but a wedding does not mean both parties will work for its success, nor remain in the marital status. It is a promise or covering showing with whom you are bonded - it guarantees nothing more than an outward symbol, ALBEIT A MOST IMPORTANT ONE. Salvation through baptism is based on a work I impart upon myself. The thief on the cross is a good example I should think.
A question I've often been asked due to my denominational history then: there is no direct command to stop seventh-day sabbath worship, yet the Church has inferred, correctly, that the Lord's Day is now Sunday. If there are no direct commends, however, to change the day of worship, yet we all agree it is Sunday, how then do we say baptism doesn't saves but is an outward symbolism of our adoption into God's fold, yet deny it's inference toward "circumcision in the New Covenant" of Christ? I can see both sides of this argument but know both cannot be correct.
Barry, I have no problem whatsoever with guns in the airports! My problem is how they'll be used - training should be done by whom? Our current police force can't hit the broadside of a barn and they supposedly train all the time. We have story upon story upon story of TSA abuse of power by groping children and grandpa and grandma and undue restraint of persons. They have way too many internal issues to be allowed to hold US citizens at gun point. So I'm not against guns in the airport; I do think the appropriate place for Barney Fife to have his bullet however, is in his front shirt pocket. To the point then - you're arming the government to subdue their own citizens. A private firm would be a better choice. Just my opinion!
penny! Forshame you speak such decency and right-mindedness! Are you trying to be sensible? Sounds to me like you don't want the government to run everything! I mean, look how well they've done! Hahaha!
GsTexas, so true! Here's another spin: the TSA have been crying for years because they are not armed. Seems like they'll try to make the case for "armed mall cops" now - should be unpleasant and result in more baddies being armed while the rest of us law-keepers are stuck with more restrictions.
Lisa, you seem to indeed be living two separate parts to your life. I understand what you're saying, but am still stuck on "purely to help me provide a secular based service" and "I see nowhere in scripture where we are commanded to know the ins and outs of what these heathens believe"; how does this work with being born again and having the Spirit indwelling us? And if a Christian is dealing with what to tell their kids about the origins of Halloween and why we don't participate in it, the Bible is woefully short on Halloweens origins... Although it gives the reason why we avoid all such celebrations of occult spirituality.