I know Lurker said something about beating wives, but I know he didn't mean it. He isn't feeding the trolls, and I don't think he was reacting to my offbeat humour from earlier today.
I actually think he is pondering the questions I raised. That's all. While I'm not crazy about the wife comment, I'm glad to know he still has heart enough to get angry and not be some cold hearted person that would deny their parents their final wishes without a second thought
SteveR wrote: Next time John Y asks the question, he should add if the Catholic Parents tied the inheritance to participating in the Funeral Mass. I'm pretty sure even for a paltry $5000, the most anti RCC bigots here would take the Euchrist Better, the parents should require them to take it three times, $1000 each time($5 each time for kids like Dave, but to be fair allow them 600 trips)
I had an instance when I found a large purse with a substantial amount of cash at a gas station. The purse was atop the pump. I was young, in the worst financial condition, desperate for money, and I without thinking took it to the cashier not even thinking I should leave a number for a reward.
After that, I spent a lot of time thinking I could have kept the money. Worse, I began to think the cashier kept it for himself because I didn't leave a #. I was young, and received praise for returning it by friends. But what if I had time to think about it? What if I had hungry children at home? Would I have kept it?
Now think, what if your inheritance was tied to the funeral? Would you give in? What if it were $800K? What if your kids needed money badly? What if your siblings would never speak to you for violating Dads trust?
Hebrews 11:22 ¬† By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
In case anyone was tempted to be beguiled about what was meant in the Gospels vs whats obvious in Exodus 20
Adam Clarke puts it this way(This was probably obvious to most readers here, but I will quote it because it also includes those NOT CALLED to preach)
Verse 21. "Another of his disciples" - This does not mean any of the twelve, but one of those who were constant hearers of our Lord's preaching; the name of disciple being common to all those who professed to believe in him, John vi. 66. Bury my father: probably his father was old, and apparently near death; but it was a maxim among the Jews, that, if a man had any duty to perform to the dead, he was, for that time, free from the observance of any other precept or duty. The children of Adam are always in extremes; some will rush into the ministry of the Gospel without a call, others will delay long after they are called; the middle way is the only safe one: not to move a finger in the work till the call be given...
Kev wrote: I said I would not take part in the sacrament and would not facilitate the event. I don't believe it's is scriptural or right this is why I would not. I answered this below. I haven't called it devilish but if I did it would pertain to the establishment and not the beguiled followers. In my opinion it is Bible ignorance that keeps the RCC running and in some cases being disobedient to the word and sticking to 'tradition' which is expressly spoken against in the Bible.
I feel we have found some common ground, and I understand your concern. This is a subject above my pay grade, and I might need to talk with my Pastor on this one if I were forced to make the decision. If so, I would begin my discussion with
Exodus 20:12 ¬† Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Christopher000 wrote: Everyone on here would, John, and for very good, biblically sound reasons.
Thank you for answering for everyone Chris, but would everyone here facilitate the Sacrament for the RCC? If people honestly thought the RCC was the devils Church, wouldn't they not participate?
Jeremiah 44:25 ¬† Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows. ¬†¬†Jeremiah 44:26 ¬† Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the LORD, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord GOD liveth. ¬†¬†Jeremiah 44:27 ¬† Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them.
Chris, The fact that you said yes tells me you don't believe its the Devils Church
Mike wrote: Agree, Lurker. John Y has never been a troll. People confuse the fact that he doesn't change his mind about anything with being a plant for the RCC. I have yet to figure out why, as his view of the RCC would get him excommunicated if they knew about it. He's somehow found an internal "safe" place for what he believes, but I think it must be a lonely place.
I don't know why you keep saying that, as it isn't true. I know several people like JohnY, and they aren't excommunicated. I know one case where an entire family is a member of BOTH the PCUSA and the RCC. The whole town knows, and they are welcomed to even our charity events.
Even in my closed minded Synod, one could hold a personal view not compatible with Church doctrine, the Pastor can know, and not be excommunicated. But you cant promote the idea among the congregation, and obviously not be a member of another congregation
JuneAnnette wrote: SteveR . . quit playing switch and bait. Your repeated attempts at deflection are truly pathetic and your attempts at levity are a big fail. This is no laughing matter. Again I hate to repeat myself, but in your case, I will make an exception . . I thought so . . NO PROOF or substance to the charges you have brought. You failed to make your case, so you must pay the damages . . you must make restitution. SteveR has provided absolutely no proof for the serious allegations he made against other posters here whom he has accused of referring to John Yurich as an "ignorant autistic person". Once again SteveR . . In the absence of verifiable proof, you need to submit a public apology to these folks for your false allegation against them. you owe him an apology as well. SteveR . . Time to man up and do the right thing! p.s. only my husband calls me dear.
Then you need to tend to the home and your husband, not spend your attention on me. This is valuable time you need to spend for him and your family. Even arguing with some man on the internet can lead a husband to have thoughts you have a desire of infidelity.
Men can get jealous
If you have a husband as you say, then care for him
JuneAnnette wrote: SteveR . . your attempts at deflection are truly pathetic. Again I hate to repeat myself, but in your case, I will make an exception . . I thought so . . NO PROOF or substance to the charges you have brought. You failed to make your case, so you must pay the damages . . you must make restitution. SteveR has provided absolutely no proof for the serious allegations he made against other posters here whom he has accused of referring to John Yurich as an "ignorant autistic person". Once again SteveR . . In the absence of verifiable proof, you need to submit a public apology to these folks for your false allegation against them. And since Philadelphia totally dismantled your charge against Lurker in this regard, you owe him an apology as well. SteveR . . Time to man up and do the right thing!
I'm going get to it dear
Did I tell you brother Ed just finished the fishing cottage. Yep, we are going fishing for awhile. Sorry we cant bring you along. But will be thinkin of ya'
Nik wrote: Did you see them passing the plate? NO none of these guys do what they do for money, No street preacher does because he's preaching to those in darkness They would soon starve if they thought this would make them a buck. Go and try it you'll find no one will shower you with cash More likely you'll get showered with stones Praise the Lord
You just promoted their names Nik. Don't get me wrong, if they are as you described people should support them with $$.
At least they aren't lazy ministers of Satan living it up in Sin City on donations from hateful anti RCC losers like other ministers that are mentioned on this forum
JuneAnnette wrote: I thought so . . NO PROOF SteveR has provided absolutely no proof for the serious allegations he made against other posters here whom he has accused of referring to John Yurich as an "ignorant autistic person". This is a very serious charge he has made. Once again SteveR . . In the absence of verifiable proof, you need to submit a public apology to these folks for your false allegation against them. And since Philadelphia totally dismantled your charge against Lurker in this regard, you owe him an apology as well.
I'm really developing sympathy for men that leave the RCC for Protestant denominations just to get divorces
Sadly, too often their kids realize Dad was a hypocrite and leave the Church altogether