JSC, I have often read and heard people struggle with what you are describing. Might I offer another way to look at this. I am not a nationalist in the respect that I eat, sleep and breath "American". However, God put me in this country, with her people and her laws and her history. While my allegiance is to Christ and Christ alone, not the flag, God's sovereign will has me here and I believe it is so that I might labor in this country for His glory. I can relate to the people, I can draw from it's history (right or wrong). While we are indeed to go out into all the world, that "world" starts right on your doorstep. Where you were born, let there be a burden on our hearts for those people - after all, it was God's perfect will that you might be a part of that ethnicity and background! He was not mistaken or wrong, but perhaps He wishes for us not to disparage the country, but pray for and witness to it's people! For those reasons, I support the peoples who live and work here - it is the mission field I was born into. Just my opinion! God bless!
Here is another website that quickly disseminates the doctrinal beliefs and their falisies: http://www.truthorfables.com The site US posted has a number of my friends and a former pastor who I was able to speak with while I followed God's leading.
Info, John UK's question would be a great one for you to mediate on and where I was headed with my question.
Dorcas - that's so true. I do know that God will save and keep His own and I see how my family strives, so, well, for His own reasons they stay where they are for now. They aren't receiving a truthful word though so I am frustrated to hear the same old mumbo jumbo whenever we end up on the "prickly" subject of church or religion.
John UK - there's a fair amount of truth to that! There are some churches that have been known to (very quietly now) serve the dreaded MEAT at a potluck - don't let the general conference get wind of that! But EGW herself, whilst declaring anathema for anyone eating Levitically unclean food (they still follow the OT dietary laws) loved bacon and shrimp! Oh the irony! I think it would be safer to say "not much has changed at the bottom of the pool even if they've skimmed the top".
Jim, I would agree! But here's the problem: like saying "I participate in only the scriptural parts of my heretical church", the baptismal certificate of a profession Adventist includes the following: 1) I profess Ellen G. White is a prophetess 2). I will abstain from all alcoholic beverages 3) I will abstain from all tobacco/narcotic usage
I don't want to debate whether drinking or cigars are wrong, my point is that in order to "be saved" as an SDA, you have a certain lifestyle and commitment to EGW that you have to maintain in order to secure your salvation. Of course, they also have in there that you accept Christ as your lord and Savior, etc. That's the danger. So much truth mixed with absolutely skewed, damnable heresies.
My siblings, parents, most of my family is SDA and they do love Jesus. But that doesn't mean that what they KNOW about Him is true. Again, fact with fiction... Sad place to be! I know!
SDA's do in fact preach Jesus is ALSO Michael the archangel - or at least they did for the 30 years I was an Adventist. Yes, they also preach He is Christ the Son of God. Their "Bible" (the Clear Word bible which is akin to being as biblically sound as The Message, JW's or the RCC's bible) can be compared thus:
Jude 1:9 (KJV translation) "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."
(Clear Word Bible translation). "In contrast to these ungodly men is the Lord Jesus Christ, also called Michael, the archangel in charge of the entire angelic host. When He was challenged by Satan about His intentions to resurrect Moses, He didn't come against Satan with a blistering attack nor did he belittle him. He simply said, 'God rejects your claim to his body.'"
Dorcas's post is absolutely correct, and there are others you can add... If you want to delve into this cult, you can easily find their book "25 fundamental beliefs of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church". I think most everyone on this board would agree with the first dozen or so - after that is when she shows her true colors.
John UK - thanks for the comment. It's a breath of fresh air!
It is terribly saddening to see on here that some would assume upon God an inability to speak to His flock as He wills. God leads, and He is able to do so without a KJV translation. If you hold a particular translation in such high regard, by all means, study the word of God in that place. But it might not turn out to be so wise to tie one's utter salvation to a particular translation - albeit a great one. We are to be good Bereans and study the whole counsel of God. To say it can only be studied through a single translation... Yes, learn Greek and Hebrew and you can become more Christlike. ?? I understand the history behind the KJV and it's longstanding breath in the church and love to read it still! I also find crossing it with and ESV and HCSB have lead me into deeper insight on some difficult topics. Can we not instead agree that it is the Holy Spirits job to guide us individually into truth and not King James' translation?
I'm on board with you SF! I would add, too, that the "socialization" aspect is a bogus rabbit trail. Shy kids are in public schools, too and are usually taunted by a miriad of other kids. Parents of any child have an obligation and duty to teach their brood correct social nuances. I've found that most people who are worried about child socialization in homeschooling families are put-off by the fact that the young kids can carry on conversations with adults, peers, elderly, etc because they're actually exposed to more people than ONLY their peer group - something the Bible explicitly warns against putting kids in such a position.
Dolores, hi sister! Good to see your post! I admit it can be daunting to homeschool under today's social pressures. If the kid can't come out swinging with the public school kids, then the parents are looked at as utter failures - it's a lot of pressure. But US said it perfectly: "public schools are a relatively new phenomenon." For the millenia before, there wasn't an option, it was all "homeschooling". I think our world has turned education into a form of worship where we, even as Christians, are so stuck on a humanistic idea of intelligence we often lay aside the important thoughts of God to pursue intellect, not wisdom or knowledge.
Also, we remember God causes it to both rain and the sun to shine on the righteous and unrighteous. Simply because the sun shines on someone does not imply that God has performed a miracle. Did He not say to the rich man, "'Son,â€™ Abraham said, â€˜remember that during your life you received your good things, just as Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here, while you are in agony.'" (Luke 16:25)
However, as a Christian striving to live by faith, like Christopher, these events strengthen our faith, not hold us in condemnation for refusing to acknowledge God's work. Perspective and truth.
Completely agree Dolores and Lurker - great comments!
Hi Jessica! People also forget that many, many species of animals are capable of hibernating! They wouldn't require much feeding, if at all - from squirrels and badgers to bears and some birds and many reptiles. This just wasn't a problem!
And as Lurker said, I too have been praying for you. Whatever we face, we can be sure our loving Savior is always the answer.
My husband brought up a good point regarding this story. With federal health coverage mandating that health insurance be provided to families who have "children" (up to age 26) who are attending college, be covered UNDER the parents health plan, might this be a precident for this child to actually sue her folks? I don't know, but it seems an awfully insidious way to get what you want...
Michael H - saw the comment you posted somewhere recently about your daughter and the godly counsel and advice she received. I am very thankful and will continue to ask for God's guidance in her life; I had people pray for me ask I grew and know God saved me many a heartache because of these faithful people. I prefere being on this end, quite frankly!
US, you put into words that which I unflatteringly tried to convey but apparently did not. I was not talking extreme use of "senses" as the ecumenical and pentacostal movements rely upon to "worship" God - a practice which opens occult doors.
Instead, I was recognizing those parts of humans made by our Creator, which He Himself said of it, "it was good", and allows us to experience His power, wonder, strength, judgment and awe as tactile along with our spiritual component. (He placed us in a garden of unspeakable beauty and told Adam to play in the dirt! It was for us to glorify Him in our wholeness.). As we can abuse our spiritual side, we can abuse our physical/senses side. But as we nurture our faith through the Word of God, we can nurture our senses to God's glory as well, in a healthy and God directed way.
Ugh, did I completely loose what I was trying to say there again?
John UK - I absolutely thought of you on this thread! Someday I would love to see one of your pictures! God blesses His flock with such a versatility of gifts and talents and when used to His glory is promotes joy and wonder towards a God who is so deserving.