Buckeye- The RCs took the saturnaia and yule festival date...this is why you celebrate it on the 25th You will not find a pattern or regular observation of Christ's Incarnation in Scripture...that does trump whatever traditions of men that follow thereafter ...this is called following after the way of the heathen
June A- if you came out of Roman Catholicism and are a Christian, now that is good news indeed! Thank you for your input into this issue. Maybe Christians will take note of your testimony and re-examine their love for "christmas" in light it. I often wondered why Christians would choose to look like RCs during their beloved holy days knowing full well of the lies of the RC church. ...always good to hear of those who come out from those who work iniquity
We acknowledge the resurrection of the Lord on sunday because he arose on the first day of the week. That is in Scripture. Obviously,Mary and Joseph didn't follow our calendar but I had asked for the equivalent of 12/25 in the Bible...of course, it's not to be found. The RCs decided which day to use not to honor Christ (which one can't with a lie any way) but to take advantage of the already existing pagan festival. Observing "christmas" is adding to the Bible.
Unprofitable...I know that the Word was made flesh but He existed before his incarnation. If you can show me in the Scriptures that the date of his incarnation was THIS day (equivalent to 12/25), by all means... Otherwise,this is adding to the Scripture. "Holiday" = "holy day" for which we have no authorization to set. Bottom line...what saith the Word or relativism
Unprofitable...I do not see where Christians celebrated christmas before the Roman Catholics coined the term. I do agree that people celebrated saturnalia,yule, and other pagan festivals on this day. Rome "christianized" the day by adding "christ" to the mix. We do know that the Puritans never celebrated it as they saw it for what it was...the pope's massing day and heathen revelry. Most important,we never see anyone in the Bible celebrating it past the event on a regular basis. Doesn't it strike you as peculiar that God would omit the date if He wanted us to observe it? We are told to not observe days based on Gal. 4:
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
We are told how to remember Him specifically and setting a time aside to reflect on his birth is not it. The Word has no beginning. He is God. Going along with man's decisions and vain traditions are futile. He is not honored by partial truth. Man does not have the authority to add to Scripture. Going along with 12/25 is a lie.
I just wonder how one discerns what "merry christmas" means when it is so subjective. Pagans say it. Roman Catholics say it. I'm not even sure what it means when a Christian says it now. It's spoken for about a month prior to the 25th and on the 25th, sometimes after the 25th. I know for the RCs, the mass part of it is at the crux of it. Pass by any RC church on the eve of the 25th and it will be jam packed. No good comes from compromise which is why God warned us of following after the heathen. Even though we may not worship exactly as the heathen,the confusion and allowance for establishing our own twist to things opens the door to relativism. No absolutes. No standards. Man decides.
Christopher...sure that you mean well but I haven't read any posts that were offensive. We should be careful to not assume motives. Those who attack "chrisymas" are usually zealous to defend truth. We follow today after that which the Roman Catholic church authorized as the birth date of Christ. Sadly, because many RCs believe that Mary is the mother of God,a set birth date or annual observance of his birth just perpetuates that misconception which is one reason why it is a sin to follow after the traditions of men. It is indeed vain to sing of angels singing to a new-born King for those of us who have tasted of His mercy and grace towards are sins which were paid for at the cross long after his incarnation. We have his Holy Spirit and His finished Word. We should reject following after vain traditions, especially those by which we choose to honor Him with our lips (without His authorization). Liberty does not include that which God has rejected. So...when slammed with "merry christmas", I submit that we respond with "Jesus saves"...an expression that doesn't have different shades of meaning.
Regarding pictures of "Jesus"...there are many Scriptures which would warn us of so doing.. one Scripture that I came across on berean beacon is: â€śProfessing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beats, and creeping thingsâ€ť (Romans 1:22-23). It's not a matter of bowing down to the image; it's a matter of depicting Jesus with a random image of corruptible man. I kinda wonder why in the world we would want to have a fake picture of God when we have His Holy Spirit and Scriptures. Even children are able to discern that those pictures are phony. Further, I can't think of any "jesus" movies that have been made that have been Scripturally correct. They are more for those who are moved emotionally than for those who care what the Word says. Sadly,if it's true,Mel Gibson will be making a sequel to the passion.
You're not understanding what I am saying. We are not presently witnessing the birth of Christ or in the days of His birth so it doesn't make sense to sing as though we are. Again,Scripture is sufficient the way that it is.
This song was not written by an RC but it doesn't mean that all of the words are accurate. We know that this was an historical event but angels praised and said the phrase, past tense. We don't use present time to preach any of the rest of the Word in regards to events that have already taken place. We don't put Him back on the cross. The point that I was making was that the Gospel needs no glitz and RC veneer for sufficiency. It is the plain,simple truth that has power not mushy,sentimental songs which are not totally truthful. While we are thankful that Christ was incarnated,we wouldn't want to go back in time with the cross yet to come. The price was paid at the cross not in the manger and songs or sermons that have to be qualified or accepted with lies are a deterrent to preaching the Word. Change the words of these songs to make them correct if you want to sing them. We are to worship in spirit and in TRUTH. We have the Comforter and the hope of His 2nd coming. Why do we have to step back in time? We wouldn't celebrate someone's birthday by sticking them back in the cradle and,of course,by going along with His beginning at the manger,RCs more readily make Mary the mother of God which we know is false. The Word always was.
What is more frightening are the cults and false religions like Roman Catholicism that present themselves as "Christian" but are leading many to Hell. Of ocurse, there is witchcraft in the RC church as well (i.e. their mass whereby "Christ" is called down from Heaven to turn into an idol wafer" through the hocus pocus of so called priests). And, don't most everybody, including naive Christians go along with this Yuletide season...which belonged to the witches from the beginning? Yule is still their "holiday". The RCs just hijacked it. A "rose by any other name is still a rose".
Unprofitable, please read again...angels are not singing or praising a NEW-BORN King... If you cannot speak of the birth of Jesus without using the lies that go along with it like the present tense of angels praising a new born King then it would be best to not bother. Most seasonal songs have some merit but also have much false content. Maybe this is why we have been cursed with so many false perversions of His Word now. In defending that Christ alone is full of grace and not Mary as well, I happened to see that another Bible version also has Stephen as being "full of grace" which is not found in the KJV. Seasonal songs like the contaminated Bible versions are products of the Roman Catholics...some truth but enough lies to lead many astray or,in the case of Christians,at least, steer them to compromise.