Ahem Tim, I think you are rather losing the thread.
Let me remind you.
[The simulated gunfight at the church in Haslet was part of a niche industry that trains civilians to protect their churches using the techniques and equipment of law enforcement. Rather than a bullet, the rifle fired a laser that hit Stephen Hatherley's vest ā triggering an electric shock the 60-year-old Navy veteran later described as a "tingle." ...]
Now then, biblical warrant please!
Forget the modern equivalents; where is the biblical equivalent where the local synagogue/church trained up its adherents in weaponry to protect themselves from an isolated attack?
Dr. Tim wrote: So what Jesus should have said was, āBut now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one, or better yet, lease one, because heās only going to need it for about six weeks.ā I canāt think of a New Testament example of anyone going to the loo, either, but Iām pretty sure they did.
Dr Tim, you obviously have no answer, so you resort to mocking or making do with an out of context verse of scripture, which you have received as the traditionalist verse for weapon possession, without really thinking it through.
I'm asking for a verse of scripture from the birth of the church onwards, and you can only refer back to the same old, same old, proof text from before Pentecost, taken out of context. So what that tells me is that this is the ONLY verse you are basing your entire theology of weapon possession on, in the new covenant economy.
Can you not see how precarious a position that is to hold? That maybe, just maybe, you are allowing American culture to outweigh Biblical culture. That is what I believe you are doing, and it will take scripture not scorning to shift my position.
At Pentecost, the Holy Ghost came, and filled all of the disciples and the NT church came into being. I have been trying extremely hard to think of a biblical occasion since then, when an apostle or a disciple or any ordinary saint took up any weapon with which to defend himself, in any circumstance whatever, and I just cannot think of one example. If I have missed one, please would someone share it. Thank you.
Mike NY, still looking forward to your reply, bro.
Acts 22:19-20 KJV (19)Ā And I said, Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on thee: (20)Ā And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.
Before Saul of Tarsus became a Christian, he was very nasty to the saints. He beat some, imprisoned others, killed others.
Now Mike, what are you saying these saints ought to have done differently, which would have prevented them being beaten, imprisoned, or killed?
Youth in Asia wrote: Well in China paper currency is already obsolete, with only digital currency accepted by many stores. I already could not get a shuttle bus from the airport because they did not take paper money. All it takes is your bank account frozen and you can't buy anything. The end is near, the technology is in place, all that is required is for Israel to rebuild their temple.
That is very interesting YIA. So how do people with no bank account buy anything at the moment? And what do you use to make a purchase? Card? Phone?
Dr. Tim wrote: The dispensationalist believes there will be wars and rumors of wars, Douglasāand North Korea is certainly producing plenty of those rumors. The dispensationalist also believes that in the last days perilous times shall comeāin fact, it may not even be safe to go shopping at Walmart. And he believes there will be scoffers, people who ridicule his biblically based beliefs. Sounds like the olā dispy is batting a thousand, doesnāt it?
Someone told me it wouldn't be safe to shop anywhere, at least not without the mark of the beast.
There's a huge financial computer complex in Luxembourg called The Beast.
Dr. Tim wrote: Okay, John, he has overstayed his leave of absence from the loony bin.
And he won't go back on his meds, as they make him use a keyboard same as most other folk do. And seeing as he's an upper-case, off-the-limit, off-his-tree, former politician (and therefore cannot be a Christian), all in all there's not much hope for him, except in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen Christopher, that is exactly the problem with a phrase like that.
A much better phrase would be "once made a new creature in Christ, always a new creature in Christ". 2 Corinthians 5:17.
There will always be mysteries surrounding this, and some folks will end up on the borderline. But these two in the news at the moment, I think it is clear that neither of them will be coming back; they are like Lot's wife, turned to a pillar of salt.