Frank wrote: Very interesting comment I would have never thought that. But, they had feminism, transgenderism, open fornication just to name a few things. And if I remember right, they actually had a chaplain that was pretty phony. And according to the internet it all started in 1972. Open Pandora‚Äôs Box and this is what happens. Well done Pilgrim!
Thanks bro. You know, we had our own sitcom in the UK called "Are you being served?" and one of its designs was to popularise homosexuality. The death sentence had been abolished for such, but most people still regarded these folks as queers, not normal. So it was the aim of programs like this (along with others like "'allo 'allo") to make people laugh at men obviously homosexual, and thusly to slowly change the mind of the public. And it worked very successfully. The attitude in the UK has swung right round, and it is now only true disciples of Jesus who claim it to be a sinful and abominable lifestyle.
Frank wrote: I remember when I was working we periodically had classes such as race relations, sexual harassment, to name a couple. I remember one was a class on meditation that would supposedly give us peace and harmony. Anyway, I remember the instructor telling the group what to do. While everyone else had their eyes closed and emptying their minds, I fixed my stare on the instructor and didn‚Äôt flinch. Needless to say, he wasn‚Äôt very happy with my approach to his relaxation technique.
Phew Frank, what a story! I can tell there was never any chance of you floating off in a dream to a south sea island.
Thanks James, I am quite willing to patiently wait until you have time to do your exposition. ____________________
Concerning Romans 5:14, I have been doing a little digging into this text and trying to understand what these "days" are that Paul refers to. John Gill makes a very good case that he is referring to days ordained of God in the old dispensation, such that it refers only to Jews, many of whom would have been loathe to depart from accustomed practices which were once commanded of the Lord.
So to make a case that it gives Christians an open cheque book as it were, and celebrate new days from events found in the NT but not commanded by God is, to my mind, no case at all, but a vain attempt to justify something which has no biblical warrant now, nor ever has had in the past.
Romans 14:5 KJV (5)¬† One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
This interpretation by Gill seems to me most consistent with the whole context in the chapter, which includes the kosha foods issue also, along with weak and strong faith.
I thank you for your kindness and prayers. Amen to every day being a blessing day, whether it bring good or evil; it is all good in the sight of God, who is absolutely sovereign, and does according his own will.
May the Lord we love and serve give us greater understanding and discernment as we being preparations to meet him, as wise virgins and not silly virgins who run out of oil for their lamps.
James Thomas wrote: Good morning John, My apologies to you. Seems that my contribution of 1 Cor 10, was seen in your eyes as myself being a ruffian towards you when I only meant it to be something to consider.
Good morning brother and saint.
No, I apologise to you. It was when four different questions came my way at the same time, and my ELCB popped.
1 Corinthians 10:28-30 KJV (28)¬† But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: (29)¬† Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience? (30)¬† For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
Now James, do you think you can give me an explanation of it? And also tell me where it figures in the convo we were having? Thank you.
As usual, the post-christmass spirit is evident among some, well, one in particular, who seems so miserable I have to feel pity for him.
Folks are going about muttering, "Ooo noo, I've got to lose some weight now. Ate too much of the naughty stuff. But hey it was such fun!" Or they are going about muttering, "I suppose I'd better respond to all those cards and presents. How embarrassing to forget Auntie Nutmeg, I'll put her first on the list. Oh is there never any end to this christmass charade?"
Well, there are some parts of christendom who are celebrating Epiphany. Anyone here? No? Oh, now I wonder why not? Is it because it is not universally kept by everyone, like christmass and easter? Is it because there is no biblical warrant? Is it because their particular denomination has never celebrated the Epiphany? Tradition?
I suspect it is because the world is not celebrating Epiphany. Now if the world was to embrace it and make another holiday out of it, then even the evangelical Christians would Christianise it as a holy day to be marked out as a festal day. Then, they might even begin catching up on the Anglican church calendar. Thirty six celebrations a year!
Oh look! All that Christmas cheer and goodwill towards men has all disappeared from the mouths of a couple of Yea-sayers. The twelve days of Christmas has passed, and now they can take off the mask and be normal again, which being interpreted, means nasty. One minute they wish me a merry Christmas and a happy new year, the next they are engaging in division and schism, nastiness.
Alas, nasty is not a Christian trait, but a fruit of the sinful nature, the flesh. So, the only conclusion one can come to is, well, what shall I say? Young, nasty and reformed? Is that the modern way? It certainly is in my experience of reformed churches. Well, maybe not young, nasty and reformed, more like old, nasty and reformed. Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. That's it, powerless Christianity. Yes, that's the modern way. Christianity without the power. Christianity without Jesus. Christianity without the Holy Ghost. A mere intellectual Christianity, where you can do whatever you want, trample all over the Bible, do despite to the Spirit of grace, always resisting the Holy Ghost. Just being plain nasty.
And they still say, "I am fine, I'm going along nicely, my church is fine, my doctrine is fine....."
Long live Cuba? Poor atheistic dabs. They think this life is all there is. But there is coming a day of reckoning, and Almighty God will be the Judge.
Can you picture the fear, the trembling, the tears, gnashing of teeth, the enforced bowing down to the King of kings, and the acknowledgment of him as Lord? Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. God will have glory out of the communists, sure he will.
Interesting. The devil will always find a way to destroy. If not in the womb, in the kindergarten. If not there, then in the primary schools. If not there, then in the secondary schools. If not there, then in college or university. He will even achieve it in Bible Schools, so-called.
As I see it, there are two forms of meditation: biblical and non-biblical. And in my humble opinion, the former is the one to go for.
June A. Nadolny wrote: 1. I can only assume that with the passage of time these "churches" have gone further down the slippery slope of compromise, accommodation to the world, and spiritual declension. 2. In obedience to Rev. 18:4 . . Ralph and I came out of the RC ‚Äúchurch‚ÄĚ and we have also separated ourselves from those so-called Protestant churches who have set their traditions over the Word of God, and thus are of the same spirit. 3. Psalm 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. 4. Yes indeed John . . ever reforming. Isn't that sanctification? Yet. . "the majority say . .I am fine, my worship is fine, my church is fine."
1. Yes we have some like that in Wales. Young people tend to go there, for the carnal delights of rock worship and froth. Other churches merely die off as people die.
2. What a tragedy, June. But very true. Traditions trump the word of God.
3. Yes, there are Bible ways and there are false ways.
4. Oh yes indeed! It is sanctification. This is that change which can take decades, little by little, getting closer to Jesus Christ and his character. Heaven will be populated with people becoming like Jesus, who follow him.
B. McCausland wrote: John UK Surely Presbyterians wishing to completely move away from the falacies of Rome beyond what other reformers have come short, single minded aimed for only one prescribed holy day; when as for today most of the evangelical population forsaking the one prescribed holy day, madly engage in the big festive holiday of the year, which practice certainly adds to no consistent piety as a norm. Surely Presbyterians took a commendable stand in their day which still holds strong value towards godliness today.
Good morning sister. Yes, if by 'in their day' you mean historic Presbyterianism, then yes, a commendable stand indeed.
Now if only the church had reviewed their membership system, and learned from the Baptists to have only a regenerate membership, the plethora of Presbyterian churches who are today apostate or close to it, would not exist. But when you have unregenerate men taking office, what can they expect?
If folks think the Reformation was a magical cure for Catholicism, and a wave of a wand produced a perfect church overnight, they need think again.
What WAS perfect, was the doctrine rediscovered that salvation (justification) was through faith alone in Christ alone.
"In a message for Epiphany, Archbishop Nicholas Okoh, Primate of Nigeria, contrasted the 'revealed wisdom of God' and 'the wisdom claimed by secular ideologies'. He said calls for 'dialogue' masked the continuing spread of 'false teaching'."
Is anyone here celebrating Epiphany this year? If not, why not? Simple question, no need to go into much detail.
Thanks to June for posting the article by Pink. Most helpful.
I believe Heb 10:25 is quoted out of context a multitude of times by those desperate to hang on to their adherents. It becomes tantamount to legalism in the end. Instead of the church being a place of blessing and joy and growth, it becomes a cold, formal ritual, where the pastor is effectively saying, "Now you keep coming to church, and we will make you as cold as we are."
It's like an elder saying, "Now will you please stop falling asleep during the sermon!"
Look, if the preacher wants his hearers to stay awake, the onus is on him to be living close to God, so that he is full of the Holy Ghost, so that God speaks through him during the sermon, where the waters of life pour forth from his lips, where the healing balm of Gilead is evident, where the Holy Spirit convicts of sin or brings some assurance, where there is regeneration, where there is spiritual life, where JESUS is present in the midst.
But still the majority say, "I am fine, my worship is fine, my church is fine, our structure is good, we're obeying God, no need for change...."
And so there is no progress, ever. They continue on into apostasy, oblivious.
June A. Nadolny wrote: Absolutely. John . . on a personal note . . as you now know Ralph and I left the Catholic "church" 20" years ago. ¬† At that time,we visited many so-called Protestant churches and found to our dismay that many were not sound in their doctrine nor practice.¬†¬† Many of the services we attended were lacking order and reverence.¬† Some of these "places of worship" had women pastors, worldly music, so-called "modern" bibles, and the message coming from the pulpit was not remotely scriptural.¬† The worship service was man-centered rather than Christ-centered.¬† We were appalled by what we saw. We walked out of many¬†of these services on that account. In closing . . we know that Christians in the early church during the Apostolic age met in their homes. In our day, persecution and apostasy are forcing many believers to do likewise, as Ralph and I now do. ¬† Christ said: . ‚ÄúFor where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.‚ÄĚ - Matthew 18:
June, that is some journey you have had, and I empathise. Others on here have experienced the same or similar and formed a home group, with Jesus in the midst, including me. We can pray for one another, sure we can.
June A. Nadolny wrote: The doctrine of biblical separation seems to have been set aside and supplanted by Christian liberty which has become somewhat of a wild card that the professing church uses to justify things prohibited and/or things not proscribed in God's Word. They say in effect . . "Yea, hath God said?" Gen. 3:1 Not unlike the ‚Äústrange fire‚ÄĚ of Nadab and Abihu . . or so it seems to me. Leviticus 10:1 "And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not." Sadly John . . the Protestant church no longer protests, but has in the main, gone back to Rome and embraced her traditions and customs as well. "What concord hath Christ with Belial?"¬† (II Cor. 6:15) ‚ÄúCan two walk together except they be agreed?‚ÄĚ Amos 3:3
June, it is right what you say.
And when I think of mine own life as a Christian, I can recall plenty of times that I would have to say, mea culpa. But you know, June, a lot of the time it was simple ignorance, lack of understanding, poor teaching, shallow theology. This is why I'm...
June, you are much appreciated, sister. Thank you.
In your post you said:
"Many practices and innovations that are not agreeable to the Scriptures have been introduced into the church under the pretext of Christian liberty."
Alas, this is so true, and it has taken me a very long time to see this, and understand it. Some things are obvious, like a statue of the BVM in the corner of the sanctuary. Others seem borderline. While yet others seem to pass by unnoticed.
It is a traumatic thing to have the vision of unbiblical goings-on within christendom, things which most of us would agree on and censure, separating from such. But to see the evangelical church, which claims to have Christ as Head and the Bible as the final authority, allowing things within the church which obviously have no biblical warrant, well, it is heartbreaking for sure.
Here in Wales, I would say 95% of the professing churches are united in the ecumenical movement and clearly disobey God. The other 5% half-heartedly trudge on, wearily and without much expectation of any blessing from the Lord. It is fast becoming a land of intense spiritual darkness.
I. The light of nature shows that there is a God, who has lordship and sovereignty over all, is good, and does good unto all, and is therefore to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the heart, and with all the soul, and with all the might. But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God is instituted by Himself, and so limited by his own revealed will, that he may not be worshipped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the holy Scripture.
II. Religious worship is to be given to God, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; and to Him alone; not to angels, saints, or any other creature: and, since the fall, not without a Mediator; nor in the mediation of any other but of Christ alone. WCF 21:1-2
According to the second paragraph, they are saying that we are not to worship angels, saints or any other creature; and that after the fall we must needs have a mediator, and that only Christ is that mediator.
Perfect! All together now...
But the first, now that is where men have a problem and disagree; all except the Presbyterians and 1689 Baptists.