i believe God sent me one of the elect to talk to this morning at the junior school where i am a govorner, i usualy go to morning service on monday but there wasnt service this am and the HM had an appointment and because i didnt say i was going in i was leaving and was stopped by a lady who is in need of a church and obviously a nominal believer it was all very encouraging

also 'the law stops the mouth ' it does ive seen it happen plus when you start on this basis the rest of it falls into place naturally they start asking the right questions they certainly do know what to ask like i say doing it this wat gets straight to the point and avoids long discusions about situational ethics, evolution etc you stillhave to know about these things and its great fun talking about them and its a good way to get things rolling but time is often limited and the first objective is to take them gently thru the law so the consience and the holy spirit can do its work - they are the tools which seldom fail ! in fact when i didnt do it this way i always regretted it.

i always remember this, my job is to deliver a messaqge, not to convert, not my department - get the message out, amswer questions im not in charge god is in charge of the discussion i keep it on track and biblical and i have been humbled on occasion by the way god has caused some people to listen to the whole gospel (takes about 45 mins ) whom i would never have thought even people i was a bit frightened of and also how quickly they grasped certain concepts, including election which causes so many believers proiblems

this is my way, i often start with an assumption which my companion has voiced which he expects me to agree with often its something to do with origins, or a conventional way of vviewing an issue which is at odds with the bible an example might be 'millions of years ago' or a dispute in the news, i might say the bible says ... anyway i start briefly with creation or a sovreignty issue then move on as quickly as possible to the law, gently establishing the sinners guilt, ive introduced the idea of sovreignty here, usualy i dont get that far they arent interested but if i do then i talk about God restraining men from the full willfulness of their desires, lots of people seem to recognise this (if ive got that far) then usualy people are asking questions and i introduce election in the light of Gods right to show mercy upon whom he will and talk about pharoh, my point being that for me its important to talk about election but i only do it after talking about creation and judgement and sovreign grace, i dont think its in context and therefore helpful to mention it before those things so if i dont get that far then i dont mention it

hebrews 10

amen to that john, perfectly put brother

see - on topic !

some people arent so sure becasue some creationists are nutters and they dont want thenm coming into the church and spreading havoc - fair enough -

djc yuove had your fun you can come back in now