Why use the term if no one here believes it? It just a derogatory term used by amillennials. Nothing secret about the rapture regardless of its timing. Thus has been what Iâ€™ve been trying to point out all along
Premillenial rapture did NOT start with Darby. John UK, you are quoting an amillenial assessment of what Darby believed. Please be kind to show where Darby called it a secret rapture from something he said not something that was said about him and include the reference .
Secret rapture is an amillenial term not a premileenial term. Pretty much the only place there term is used is on amillenial sites. Thanks
John UK wrote: This refers to the end of the world and the day of judgment, not to some "secret rapture" of the saints in the middle of some tribulation. See what I mean?
Secret adj. Kept hidden from knowledge or view; concealed.
May I ask some questions
1. If itâ€™s a â€śsecret raptureâ€ť how do you know about it? (hidden from knowledge)
2. In a world of around 7 billion people it is fair to say that true Christians number in the millions, if they are all taken away you donâ€™t think anyone would notice? How is something so obviously public, â€śsecretâ€ť? (concealed)
3. If itâ€™s a secret why are those who believe in this â€śsecretâ€ť rapture writing books, preaching sermons, and warning others about it making the effort to proclaim it?
No desire to challenge your view on the timing of the passage in question just trying to show you that your terminology may need to be reconsidered. Thanks
Sorry John, because people abuse the Scriptures doesnâ€™t make them invalid. There are plenty more Scriptures I could use. This world is not our home, our treasures are to be laid up in heaven. But at no point does the Bible teach that there is something spiritual about being poor. Our Lord was not poor, see the complaint that the ointment could be sold and GIVEN AWAY to help the poor. (Matthew 26 Mark 14). Compared to the glories of heaven and being owner of the world, (Psalm 50)His humanity was poor ( 2 Cor 8:9).
Read verses 17-19 in the same chapter brother John. Having wealth above our supply of food and clothes is not necessarily a sign of lack of contentment as the Bible says He has given us all things richly to enjoy. While there is a warning to labor for the sole purpose of gaining wealth, Proverbs 13:11 states wealth gathered by labor shall increase
You have two examples from your own country. George Mueller depended upon the Lord to meet the needs of the orphans in his care and God used people with wealth to meet those needs. Spurgeon spent much wealth distributing, sermons, tracts, books and training because the Lord has provided the means to do so through the wealth of believers.
It is not the possession of or the accumulation of money that is the root of all evil but the love of because you cannot serve two masters.
Thanks for your response, John UK. Nothing I have posted contradicts the the words of our Lord or even of Adam Clarke. You do need to note that the passage does not end there. The astonished disciples asked who then can be saved and our Lord said with men these things are not possible but with God ALL things are possible.
We live by the words found in I Timothy 6:17. I, like you, am not wealthy but neither am I poor. By the standard of wealth in the time in which our Lord walked this earth, you would be one of the wealthy.
Our Lord lived off the the support of the wealthy who freely gave to His work and supported both Him and the disciples. He paid taxes with coins found in the mouth of a fish and unlike us, did not have a domicile in which to stay.
So, back to my question, which points have I said with which you disagree? Am I to assume that you think there is some spirituality in being poor?
Lastly my brother you do not understand the U.S. stock market if you think it is only participated in and benefited by the wealthy. Thatâ€™s the lie of the liberal left.
The Bible states that God gives the ability to get wealth. Therefore just like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job,David, Solomon, Hezekiah, Joseph of Arimethia, Barnabas,etc it is not sinful to have riches. Just so long as one doesnâ€™t put their trust in them or set their affections on them.
I am unaware of any Capitalist manifesto. You can see Capitalism taught in Scripture but the concept of it as we know it as a defined economic system post dates the Bible.
Again I am sorry but did you have a specific objection to my points? Some posting seemed to imply that getting and having wealth was unspiritual