who's numero uno wrote: 5 World Leaders Who Were Accused of Being the Antichrist #6 Mr. Roger's #5 Ronald Reagan #4 Mikhail Gorbachev #3 Pope Benedict XVI #2 Roman Emperor Nero Ceasar #1 Barack Hussein Obama
Mr. Rogers? Really?
I can understand Nero. I suspect it is someone else but Barrack Hussein Obama sure seems to be striving for the title. The rest are kind of...meh.
1¬†John 2:18 - Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
John Beechy wrote: The primary "textbook" for children (not little goats) should be the English scriptures. All the subjects are contained therein. Very few other "textbooks" are needed.
Amen to the above.
I agree with your sentiment regarding calling children "children" and baby goats "kids". I was curious, did some searching and I found the following to be interesting...
Matthew 13:55 - But in the next breath they were cutting him down: "We've known him since he was a kid; he's the carpenter's son. We know his mother, Mary. We know his brothers James and Joseph, Simon and Judas. - The Mess
Christopher000 wrote: Thanks for the friendliness, Rufus. I don't mind going back and forth with anyone within this kind of emotional context. When people temporarily change their names though, or the hit and runners stop by to assault me (and others), simply for posting facts, that's when I tend to take a turn, although I guess I shouldn't.
I kindly agree. You shouldn't take a turn but rather care not for it. If it is an offense against Jesus Christ, contend against it. If it is an offense against us, the Lord will deal with it presently or in time. The focus should be on the message, not on the quarreling.
Christopher:I see a much, much broader distinction and seperation between the examples noted and the church though, although, my mind is open. Rufus: Understood. By way of personal example, save for a funeral and a wedding I have never set foot in a RCC church, yet I believe I have had to deprogram from all the RCC doctrines and spirits which I received in allegedly Protestant or Baptist churches. This is how to me they are similar.
C:I don't understand why, when the Bible is clear,born again Christians defend the Roman system. R: There is no defense for the Roman system and I share your vexation.
C:I believe that there may be saved people within the Roman church, but newly saved and it's those whom God calls out. R: God calls out but not all will heed.
C: Yes, I know the final stop is the lake of fire...I just have a bad habit if saying Hell. R: We all do and I wouldn't have mentioned it accept I suspect it to be a Roman Catholic teaching and it seemed worthy to note in light of the conversation at hand .
Christopher000 wrote: Oh, I see choirs, 501c3's, the observance of Christmas and Easter, etc, as being completely separate issues that need to be dealt with for sure, but to talk about them as if they are on par with the hersies of the Roman church? I don't agree with that at all. ...
Whether one goes out to a Roman Catholic church or whether one brings in the Roman Catholic church into their church, they are the same issues. It does not become less idolatrous when someone does the same things the whore does but puts Baptist or Presbyterian on the outside of the building.
No one will go to Hell for all eternity. Hell is temporal, the Lake of Fire is eternal.
To address one of your examples...Parents who place gifts under a tree, lie to their children and tell them some false God named Santa dropped 'em under the tree are and will be in trouble with the Lord save for repentance. It is Jesus Christ who knows who has been naughty or nice and whether the idol is Mary or the idol is Santa, both will bring forth judgment and one can be a saved child of God and fall into idolatry.
"First, the unelected governors of the unconstitutional central bank have an absolute stranglehold and monopoly over the flow of our nation‚Äôs money and credit. Not once since its inception in 1913 has there ever been a thorough audit or an accounting to Congress about its activities."
"Since the Federal Reserve's inception in 1913, the dollar has lost over 95 percent of its purchasing power. Most, if not all, of this precipitous decline was caused by the mindless monetary policy of the Federal Reserve."
"Could America exist without an income tax? The idea seems radical, yet in truth America did just fine without a federal income tax for the first 126 years of its history."
"Adding insult to injury, during testimony to Congress in 2009, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke refused to reveal to committee members the names of the institutions that received trillions of dollars from the Fed. Later, he told our elected representatives that he would not disclose the identity of the foreign banks that were parties to sweetheart deals with the Federal Reserve."
Steve: I feel with the current message board lineup, the LORD has brought us all together for a purpose.
Rufus: Concur. There is much to learn from one another. I pray we can all do so and communicate with one another while flavoring with a bit more salt (a personal weakness, I'm trying to overcome).
S: During this time, I pray that you continue your advisement about the dangers of 501c3s R: Thank you for the encouragement. Few issues pertaining to churches more important than this one. New Testament churches have Jesus Christ as their head.
S:...in the end nobody in Synod was willing to even vote for losing the tax writeoff. R: I would encourage you to try to persuade as best as you can for as long as is reasonable but if there's no change, I believe the Lord is instructing us to get out of such environments.
S: Todays US Protestant Churches just havent shaken Rome... R: Many lies and traditions have we been born into.
Michael Hranek wrote: ...J.R.R. Tolkein, C.S. Lewis and Charles Coulson as part of (quote) their life and faith.
Well said. Add to this, how many will put their eyes before Hollywood because it is a Tolkien, Lewis or The Passion of the Christ movie? How many keep the Mass called Christ Mass? How many observed the Pagan Easter days ago? How many have choirs with men and women wearing dresses? How many are 501c3 state churches matching up with the spirit of the RC merging of the state with the church? Yet, these same folks will judge all people within the RC church as being unbelievers for not coming out of this wicked system and not admit how much of Rome they have on themselves and Watchman, I believe this is a portion of what is being referred to in Luke 6. Many folks preaching against Rome but they have not yet shaken Rome from their own walk.
"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye." - Luke 6:43
Poster wrote: Perhaps there was some confusion over the word 'inspector'. As an inspector I am not the judge. I inspect the fruit. I'm not judging it. I'm allowed to inspect. ...
We ought to inspect fruit for the purpose of determining if one is a false prophet, whether your going to fellowship with someone or how you might teach or preach to someone etc.
However, there are believers that have good fruit and believers that have bad fruit and all areas in between. Their fruit does not determine their eternal salvation condition. Their work can be burned yet they are saved...
1¬†Corinthians 3:15 - If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
As examples... There are believers who have trouble with gluttony, even pastors that not only have problems with the sin but joke about it from the pulpit. I don't think them to be not saved, I think them to be in trouble with the Lord.
I quit going to churches for a time because the women seem to have significant challenges with lasciviousness. Doesn't mean they are not saved, just means they are not walking right.
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.... 41 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye. 43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Watchman wrote: Do you always post up the first thing that comes to your mind? Is that sentence not arrogant? On the issue you consider to be a doctrine of men I shall post up some verses for your consideration a little later.
I did not believe that it was arrogant. I do apologize for any perceived or actual arrogance. To me, it would seem more arrogant to believe one can be a fruit inspector and know if one is saved by judging their works. It occurs to me eternal salvation is not by our deeds but by the deeds of Jesus Christ. I would further suggest it to be arrogant or a misinterpretation to think those Jews that believed but did not leave the synagogue were not eternally saved or that God's people who were called out of Babylon were no longer God's people if they didn't come out. I will look forward to any scripture you might desire to post for I do love the word and am anxious to be corrected by it. Grace and peace to ya.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Rufus, if a person is saved, he will show: ... Rufus, I'm pointing out people who have had a long time exposure to Christians on this forum, they would leave --any-- false church. :nod
One gets eternally saved via a repentance of belief. They discard their former beliefs in salvation and believe in the blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. You gentleman that propose that someone has to show they are saved by their deeds are forwarding a doctrine of men. Eternal salvation is by belief in the shed blood of Jesus Christ, plus nothing, minus nothing and only by the blood. A person's walk is the process of sanctification and determining of rewards and position it is not for eternal salvation.
These chief rulers believed on Jesus Christ, they at this point have become eternally saved. Whatever they do or do not do does not determine their eternal salvation.
John 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
As a reminder... John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever [i]believeth[/i] in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jim Lincoln wrote: ... The only way you can show any Christian on this forum you have accepted the Lordship of Christ is if you quit the RCC!
I agree with this statement. One can be a believer in Christ and be in a false system. SteveR's quote of John 12:42 addresses this well.
I would throw out the following as well..
Revelation 18:4 - And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
These people are God's people. They can get out and be blessed or they can receive the plagues of being involved in these wicked systems.
I believe the primary application of this is related to being involved with the whore which is the Roman Catholic church but it can certainly likewise apply to the harlot's daughters.
By way of personal testimony, I was involved in churches that were called Protestant or Baptist churches but they had drunk of the whore's wine, by command of the Lord it was necessary for me to come out of those churches. If I hadn't it would not have meant I wasn't eternally saved, it would've merely meant I was in trouble with the Lord and was destined to receive of their plagues.
John for JESUS wrote: It is one thing to be a believer who struggles with sin and another to openly approve and endorse a particular sin, such as Matthew Vines does.
I am not speaking necessarily to Mr. Vines. In fact, I hadn't heard of him 'til this article and I'm uncertain why anyone is paying attention to him. His claim to fame is that he's 22, once went to Harvard and now he's a Bible expert?
I believe man was made in the likeness and image of God and in so much as God is one in three (the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost) man is likewise tripartite (body, soul and spirit).
It is the responsibility of man to live a life towards perfection.
Matthew 5:48 - Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
We ought to strive towards perfection in all three areas body, soul and spirit.
The spirit is the realm of the mind or intellect, the soul is the realm of emotion and the body is of course these vessels we inhabit.
Each of these realms will blend into the other. For example, if one is sickly (flesh), it is harder for him to think clearly (spirit) and it may make him impatient with folks or uncharitable (soul).
Looking from another angle we have an adversary who wants us fully dead. If he can get believers to die before their time because of their sedentary lifestyle or the poisons they consume then the victory goes to the devil.
There's more to be said on the topic but the short answer is yes, it is a spiritual weakness to abuse the temple of God and the curse causeless shall not come.
Appreciate your spirit and light JPW. May God Bless
Jim Lincoln wrote: Rufus, ah, you copied my comment so just read about the side effects of willow bark. If a person has Reyes syndrome, I would think he would have very unpleasant reaction to willow bark, as he would to aspirin. But, just a little more information, [URL=http://men.webmd.com/features/aspirin-day-not]]]An Aspirin a Day ... or Not?[/URL]
From your posted article... "When you take aspirin, the level of stomach protection is decreased and you're more likely to bleed. Thus, people who take aspirin regularly -- even in a buffered or coated form -- will have roughly double the likelihood of having a perforated ulcer or bleeding in the GI tract," explains Fendrick. "Relatively little attention is paid to this problem that kills more people in the U.S. each year than asthma or cervical cancer. What we need to do is focus less attention on finding more things that make aspirin look good, we have plenty of those, and think more about focusing on how to minimize risk."
Why would you consume something that kills more people than asthma and cervical cancer?
Jim Lincoln wrote: The better idea is not to patronize Starbucks. Probably many of you don't own Starbucks anyway, but may have one of their dens of iniquity by you. Yes, taking a natural cure is acetylsalicylic acid, but of course willow bark might kill you like it did Beethoven, q.v., [URL=http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-955-WILLOW%20BARK.aspx?activeIngredientId=955&activeIngredientName=WILLOW%20BARK]]]Willow Bark Side Effects and Safety[/URL]. I prefer my bark has "Bayer" stamped on it so it's bite won't be worse than it's bark.
If you cared about side effects you wouldn't consume aspirin. Besides Willow Bark is where aspirin comes from, but the pharma companies have to modify it sufficient to patent it and when they do, they add lethal side effects to it. I prefer Willow Bark as God made it, not as man has tainted it.
[URL=http://www.naturalnews.com/027548_swine_flu_vaccines_death_risk.html]]]Aspirin kills 400% more people than H1N1 swine flu[/URL]