John UK; John for Jesus; Doesnât want to allow the Bible to convey to us, the clear picture & condition fallen mankind is in apart from no King but Christ Alone! I have nothing against John for Jesus, but sinners have a Fallen Will, that is bound & conformed to its fallen nature one posses in All, who are outside of Christ!
As in Jhn 11 & prior chapters starting in Jhn 1, we are clearly are told that we are physically alive but ever so inwardly unable to please God in our fallen condition, as our fallen flesh, our mind & thought life, leave us to be dead in our trespasses & sin. Bound in the bondage of moral corruption, as their is none who are Good than the Eternal Godhead or a true Seeker of God!
But John for J; wants to in his own mind & reasoning, doesnât want to let Christ be the true seeker of the Fallen first; As Eph 1:1-14 is clear on why one has a union with the Eternal Godhead Alone!
Free Willy; 5:39Â You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; & itâs they that bear witness about me, 40Â yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.
How the Spirit is a recurring them of Jhn from Ch1 to Jhn 11. To say that the spiritual condition of Lazarus doesnât apply, then you better take out a key verse in Jhn 1:1
I havenât been following this thread but the below has probably already been brought up. The below verses in Ephesians is all about what God alone does for the sinner he has chosen. We were dead in our sins and dead means dead. He chose us and raised us up. When I received Christ as my Lord and Savior; yes I did make a decision to do that. But, it was the Holy Spirit who gave me the knowledge and will to do that. All praise and honor go to Him and Him alone.
Epesians 2:5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Matthew 16:15-17 KJV (15)Â He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? (16)Â And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. (17)Â And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
v17 Jesus answered Simon Peter's confession that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the Living God. Not with a mere, "Correct!" Or a "Why do you think that?" But rather, the Lord informs him (because he didn't realise this yet) that the reason Peter believed that, is because Jehovah had revealed it unto him by his Spirit.
Note, a Bible teacher or preacher can expound the word of God all day long to an unregenerate man, and do this every day for months on end. But unless God raises that sinner from his spiritual death, and open his understanding, his eyes and his ears, he will never understand and turn, and be converted. This is because the sinner is in a terrible condition by nature: he is in Adam, blind, deaf, dead.
A man like Judas Iscariot can be with Jesus for three years and see all the miracles he did, and yet still not believe. Similarly, men can hang around with saints and never get saved.
However Ephesians 3:24 brings a different Greek word for grace, than Ephesians 2:8.
The word in Ephesians 3:24 is khÄ«'-rĆ, used as a salutation like cheers, or good speed, farewell, rejoice, or hail, ... conveying graciousness in mannerism that imparts good; a greeting word wishing the hearer well.
On the other hand the word for divine grace as in Ephesians 2:8 is khĂ€'-rÄs, indicating bestowed favour or influence.
As for the preaching of the gospel being a *means of grace* is another misconception rooted from the same cistern of Rome.
God effects grace in whatever time, setting or way he wishes, often using mediums as literature, or preaching, though at other times he might use none precisely, as with Saul in his way to Damascus, but he is never exclusively binded to any as a must.
For instance the Lord opened the heard of Lydia as she heard the word. The main act of grace in action was the opening of the understanding, the lesser was the preaching, as the later without the first would had proved nonsuccesful grace.
Say preaching can be void of his grace when done in the energy of the flesh, while saying a fitting personal word in season can fulfil the purpose of his favour and kindness towards a person.
Kenny wrote: "Then there is the debate over the role of women in the workplace vs caring for their own children". In the world of Christians, that should be the ONLY debate unless a woman is a widow or has an invalid husband. Actually, if Biblical Christians are involved it shouldn't even be a debate. What goes on inside the workplace is secondary and irrelevant - just like the government schools. A child from a Christian home has no place in Babylon's school system. A Christian mother with an able bodied husband has no business neglecting her kids in the workplace.
Well said Kenny! Whenever possible a woman should stay home and take care of her children and her home. This evil egalitarianism has taken its toll on the Christian community and they don't even realize it.
Let me remind folks that context is crucial; do not take verses out of context, but see them *within* their context.
Matthew 16:13-14 KJV (13)Â When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? (14)Â And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
These Jews that the disciples were talking about, some claimed him to be John Baptist, some of them Elijah, some of them Jeremiah or one of the prophets.
So clearly, these Jews were unbelievers, even though they had the same privileges as every other Jew of the day. But they did not have the blessing Peter had. They had no revelation, no understanding, did not see Jesus as their Messiah. God the Father had revealed nothing to them.
Other Jews such as Simeon, full of the Holy Ghost, recognised Jesus as the Messiah even when Jesus was a newborn baby (Luke 2:26). To be filled with the Spirit is to have the revelation of God, it is God indwelling the soul.
Simon Peter was not the only Jew to be blessed by God and to see that Jesus was Messiah. God does this for all his elect, and those not chosen he leaves in their sins.
I should mention that I did go to Vietnam as a draftee. So, I can have sympathy for what this guy says.
https://tinyurl.com/y2yulc5u (Why Trump is not like other draft dodgers)
I'm glad that there were many like you fellows during world war I, world war II, and the Korean war
I would suggest you gentleman read:
http://tinyurl.com/zkvd9h7 (What does Judeo-Christian Mean?), by Dennis Prager
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2. Nothing is being inferred, you are reading into the text something that is extra biblical. In other words, made up. Other Jews did believe In Jesus! Did you forget Mary?
âand my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant. For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;â ââLukeâŹ â1:47-48âŹ
Or Zechariah, or the Canaanite woman?
âAnd behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and was crying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely oppressed by a demon."â ââMatthewâŹ â15:22âŹ
People knew who he was!
3. The writings of the Prophets are not flesh and blood, the miracle of say Jesus walking on water could have given Peter the impression that Jesus was the Son of God. At any rate, this is hardly Calvinistic doctrine! Peter was already a believer.
4. Yes, that is where God sits, where else would He do it from?
Sister B, I'm just trying to get my head around this, so please bear with me.
Acts 18:27-28 KJV (27)Â And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had *believed through grace*: (28)Â For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.
Romans 10:17 KJV (17)Â So then *faith cometh by hearing*, and hearing by the word of God.
Combining these two texts, we have a joyous event of souls coming to faith, through the faithful and convincing preaching of the word of God, and all by the grace of God.
Now I have always been taught that the preaching of the gospel was a *means of grace* because God ordinarily made use of such in order to apply his grace and bring sinners to faith in his Son.
It is quite usual that where there is no preaching of the gospel, there are no converts.
I take it that you agree with me in saying that, so is it the expression *means of grace* and its association with the RCC that you have a problem with? And if so, do you agree that God's grace often comes through men and women like us? As in Ephesians 4:29? Thank you.
Adriel wrote: âChristians believe baptism is a means of grace for the one being baptized. What some do not realize is that baptism is also a means of grace for believers as they observe the baptism of others. The Westminster Larger Catechism says observing the baptism of others gives us an opportunity to practice âthe needful but much neglected duty of improving our baptismâ (Q&A 167). We improve our baptism by seeking to experience its meaning in deeper and more powerful ways and by living out its implications. While we can think about the meaning of baptism any time, we can do this in a unique way when we observe a baptism.â (Ligonier Ministries)
Sorry, Adriel, this comes near heresy. We do not need to "improve" our baptism; this sounds as sanctification by works. We rejoice in truth: the truth standing behind what baptism represents, but the rite by itself has no mystical significance. This is not taught in Scripture.
The phrase "Means of grace" is totally anchored in RC theology. The Bible does not know a thing about this concept. Grace is grace, the source is God's kindness towards us. Run the Strong concordance for the word grace and you will see this. The only 'means' is God's hand delivering it to whom he will. May cont.
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"Then there is the debate over the role of women in the workplace vs caring for their own children".
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Matthew 16:17 KJV (17)Â And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
This text is worthy of extra care. Let us look at it carefully.
1. Jesus is speaking, and he is referring to Peter's confession, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God."
2. Jesus says that Peter has been blessed, inferring that the other Jews had not been blessed. [note, it is only God's elect who are blessed.]
3. Jesus talks about "flesh and blood" not being the source of the revelatory blessing. Meaning? It is not a man who had revealed to him who Jesus was. After all, the other Jews had the prophets just the same, and yet they believed Jesus was John Baptist or one of the prophets. Thusly, it must have been a spiritual revelation, deep, inward, in the soul. Every man needs this, or he will perish in his sins.
4. Jesus tells him it was his own Father who had revealed this unto him - from heaven. Note that, FROM HEAVEN.
This is basic Bible teaching, really quite self-explanatory. But without revelation, there is no understanding it nor believing it. The unregenerate man hates God's sovereignty, and so he will rebel against God.
âIt is written in the Prophets, 'And they will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to meââ ââJohnâŹ â6:45âŹ
If by elect you mean the Israelis who believed in Jesus, I would agree.
Peter was already a believer by this time who believed that Jesus was the Son of God. He could have learned that through the profits which God sent to Israel or through the preaching of Jesus or through His miracles done through Godâs power to give witness to who Jesus was. There is nothing magical about Peter understanding who Jesus was.