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Is it wrong to tell sinners that God loves them? Created: 7/2/2008 | Last Vote: 15 hours ago | Comment: 1 month ago

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10/4/09 5:33 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Opened eyes wrote: 'bottle-stopper' had to think about that for a mo' To be sure, it's the way I tell 'em. Why aye 10/4/09 4:19 PM Top Secret    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: Have you ever been to Acle? It's on the river near to the Norfolk Broads, and one of the places famous for imprisoning 'heretics' who dared to suggest that infant baptism was ineffective and in opposition to God's word and will. J Does that mean that the post below was a premonition. Acle just up the Reedham road from that "Damgate"... 10/4/09 3:17 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments 10 Downing Street wrote: John Last week you were arminianacle... Me? arminianacle? Have you ever been to Acle? It's on the river near to the Norfolk Broads, and one of the places famous for imprisoning 'heretics' who dared to suggest that infant baptism was ineffective and in opposition to God's word and will. Next to the stocks in Acle you can still see the ironsmith works where they put the 'arm in ians'. For denying church/state co-operation it was one arm, for infant baptism rejection it was both arms. Many could never work again after such treatment. I'm glad 'they' don't do that anymore, as I don't believe in infant baptism, church/state, or sprinkling adults on their confession of faith. Loadsowater, that's what you need! 10/4/09 2:43 PM 10 Downing Street    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: Calvin's STYLE OF EVANGELISM WAS EVERY THING THAT IT SHOULD BE: On the banks of the Arnon..... CALVIN'S EVANGELISTIC ZEAL REACHED EVEN TO THE CHILDREN: In this way Calvin labored in the town, in the villages, and in the chateaux, conversing tenderly with the children John Last week you were arminianacle... This week you are Calvinisticle... This is getting very confuse'ilism 10/4/09 1:36 PM Opened eyes    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: Ta for the link to bottle-stopper website. I've been reading article after article, and looking at the photos of evangelistic endeavour. Oh Yes!! 'bottle-stopper' had to think about that for a mo' 10/4/09 12:00 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Opened Eyes wrote: A message about the danger of having a mind full of Calvinism, with the heart untouched of these truths. Of having no concern for the lost, no burden for missions. A Calvinism without the passion for souls as Brainerd and Carey had. Timely warning. Ta for the link to bottle-stopper website. I've been reading article after article, and looking at the photos of evangelistic endeavour. Oh Yes!! 10/4/09 11:51 AM Opened Eyes    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments A recent sermon comment Florin Motiu | Oradea, Romania • Posted 27 hours ago • Add new comment Sermon: The Plague of Dry-Eyed Calvinism in Missions Pastor Walter Chantry “ Timely warning. ” A message about the danger of having a mind full of Calvinism, with the heart untouched of these truths. Of having no concern for the lost, no burden for missions. A Calvinism without the passion for souls as Brainerd and Carey had. Timely warning. http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1014041901 10/4/09 10:47 AM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Calvin's STYLE OF EVANGELISM WAS EVERY THING THAT IT SHOULD BE: On the banks of the Arnon, ten leagues from Bourges, there stands a little town named Lignieres, at that time the seat of a considerable lordship. Every year certain monks came to preach in the parish church, and were bountifully received at the chateau, where they complained of their wretchedness in the most pitiable tone. This offended the lord of Lignieres, who was not of a superstitious character. ‘If I am not mistaken,’ he said, ‘it is with a view to their own gain that these monks pretend to be such drudges.’ Disgusted with their hypocrisy, M. de Lignieres begged Calvin to come and preach in their stead. The law-student spoke to an immense crowd with such clearness, freedom, depth and vitality, that every one was moved. ‘Upon my word,’ said the lord to his wife, ‘Master John Calvin seems to me to preach better than the monks, and he goes heartily to work too.’ (Vol 2: p44) CALVIN'S EVANGELISTIC ZEAL REACHED EVEN TO THE CHILDREN: In this way Calvin labored in the town, in the villages, and in the chateaux, conversing tenderly with the children, preaching to adults, and training heroes and martyrs. (Vol 2: p44) Frenchie out soulwinning 9/20/09 7:11 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments The evening of life has also its calls. Life is so short that a morning of manhood's vigour, and an evening of decay, make the whole of it. To some it seems long, but a four-pence is a great sum of money to a poor man. Life is so brief that no man can afford to lose a day. It has been well said that if a great king should bring us a great heap of gold, and bid us take as much as we could count in a day, we should make a long day of it; we should begin early in the morning, and in the evening we should not withhold our hand; but to win souls is far nobler work, how is it that we so soon withdraw from it? Some are spared to a long evening of green old age; if such be my case, let me use such talents as I still retain, and to the last hour serve my blessed and faithful Lord. By His grace I will die in harness, and lay down my charge only when I lay down my body. Age may instruct the young, cheer the faint, and encourage the desponding; if eventide has less of vigorous heat, it should have more of calm wisdom, therefore in the evening I will not withhold my hand. CHS (part 2) 9/20/09 5:56 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments — Ecclesiastes 11:6 In the evening of the day opportunities are plentiful: men return from their labour, and the zealous soul-winner finds time to tell abroad the love of Jesus. Have I no evening work for Jesus? If I have not, let me no longer withhold my hand from a service which requires abundant labour. Sinners are perishing for lack of knowledge; he who loiters may find his skirts crimson with the blood of souls. Jesus gave both His hands to the nails, how can I keep back one of mine from His blessed work? Night and day He toiled and prayed for me, how can I give a single hour to the pampering of my flesh with luxurious ease? Up, idle heart; stretch out thy hand to work, or uplift it to pray; heaven and hell are in earnest, let me be so, and this evening sow good seed for the Lord my God." CHS today's reading (part 1) 4/23/09 3:49 PM prince charles  | wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments That is a practice bordering upon the occult as is to be found today amongst the 'charismatics' the chanting and invoking of experience over knowlege, repetetive chorus chanting etc. There is no fear or reverence of God there. This form of worship is an abonimation to God. Likewise the hawking of the Gospel by emphasising the love of God, it may make an impresion at the time with vunerable individuals but most of the lost see through it straight away and the proof is that the vast majority of the thousands that hear this kind of presentation of the gospel are unmoved after a brief false conversion. This is the doctrine of devils, the unsaved person knows that if there is a God then his wrath surely abides upon them, death illness insecurity and unhapiness are their lot they know this - they want and need salvation but must be shown what sin is and why the creation groans under sin and awaits the day of Jesus return. Why tell a sick man that God is love and he is loved ny God - he knows this isnt true ! otherwise why would he be suffering !? Its contrary to his experience of life and just plain silly 4/23/09 3:27 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments prince charles wrote: ......they just jumped on the.... Below is the entry on “Jumpers” in Schaff-Herzog’s Encyclopaedia of Religious Knowledge (1891 edition): [JUMPERS, a designation applied to some Welsh religionists of the [eighteenth] century who introduced into their worship the practice of dancing and jumping … William Williams, the famous Welsh hymn-writer … advocated and adopted the practice. The jumping usually followed the sermon, and was preceded by the singing of a verse of some hymn, which was repeated again and again, sometimes forty or even more times. The jumping was accompanied with all kinds of gestures, and often lasted for hours (vol. 2, pp. 1214-1215).] Just think of William Williams and the people singing a stanza of “Guide me, O Thou great Jehovah” up to forty times and more until they begin to jump up and down. The psalmist proclaims, “God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him” (Ps. 89:7). From link provided earlier 4/23/09 1:44 PM prince charles  | wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DJC49 wrote: . But I can not recount ONE time where the love of God was associated with (or even mentioned in) ANY of the evangelistic efforts by anyone as concerns the Cross or salvation. Can you? (Perhaps they were all "hypermen" in Acts, huh!) yes i had this discussion recently with a brother who started telling me about 'tolerance' I asked him to find me one place in the NT or OT where Jesus or anyone else preached such a thing God does not love everyone God is angry freshly every day with the wicked Jesus did not come for everyone People are not good maybe the reason why the methodist chapels all closed on anglesey was they were never calvinist - they just jumped on the bandwagon cos everyone else was, that hymn starts ok but is well dodgy later arminism - Pah ! 4/23/09 12:56 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DJC49 wrote: Could you please show me just ONE place in the book of Acts where love was preached? IOW, we have many various sermons, accounts of evangelism, and records concerning the spreading of the Gospel by Peter, Paul, and others in the book of Acts. But I can not recount ONE time where the love of God was associated with (or even mentioned in) ANY of the evangelistic efforts by anyone as concerns the Cross or salvation. Can you? No I can't recall one in the book of Acts bro. Interesting point that. Mmmmm. I'll have to give that some thought. Judgment was certainly preached, as was the resurrection, and Christ was foremost in the preaching. Mmmmm. 4/23/09 12:40 PM DJC49  | Florida    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: Sure man can preach the cross without preaching the love of God. If the man (hyperman) does not have the love of God in his heart, how can he preach the gospel with the love of God? It's a fact that many gospel sermons may be true in facts, but lacking the love of God, even when the cause of the cross is mentioned. Ask hyperman, he knows all about it. I have a bit of a "Biblical" problem or dilemma for you -- sort of a quandary --, *John UK*, and I really don't mean to actually "prove" anything by presenting it to you, but (here goes) ... Could you please show me just ONE place in the book of Acts where love was preached? IOW, we have many various sermons, accounts of evangelism, and records concerning the spreading of the Gospel by Peter, Paul, and others in the book of Acts. But I can not recount ONE time where the love of God was associated with (or even mentioned in) ANY of the evangelistic efforts by anyone as concerns the Cross or salvation. Can you? (Perhaps they were all "hypermen" in Acts, huh!) 4/23/09 11:32 AM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments pew view wrote: But John You taught us below that quote, "Yes, but it would be a sad day for Christianity if the preaching of the cross no longer involved preaching the love of God" HOW CAN the LOVE of God be extricated from the cross, the crucifiction of His beloved Son??? Can MAN do this John??? Remember man is *Totally* Depraved! You give the nasty little sinner far to much power. *IT IS* the power of God unto salvation (Limited Atonement) for those saved (only). 1Cor 1:18. Sure man can preach the cross without preaching the love of God. If the man (hyperman) does not have the love of God in his heart, how can he preach the gospel with the love of God? It's a fact that many gospel sermons may be true in facts, but lacking the love of God, even when the cause of the cross is mentioned. Ask hyperman, he knows all about it. 4/23/09 11:25 AM pew view    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: Have another read of my post, ya hyperman addict, and you will see how ridiculous your comment appears. You're still reading too fast But John You taught us below that quote, "Yes, but it would be a sad day for Christianity if the preaching of the cross no longer involved preaching the love of God" HOW CAN the LOVE of God be extricated from the cross, the crucifiction of His beloved Son??? Can MAN do this John??? Remember man is *Totally* Depraved! You give the nasty little sinner far to much power. *IT IS* the power of God unto salvation (Limited Atonement) for those saved (only). 1Cor 1:18. 4/23/09 10:47 AM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments pew view wrote: Say What??? You separate the LOVE of GOD from the Crucifiction of His SON JESUS??? John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Have another read of my post, ya hyperman addict, and you will see how ridiculous your comment appears. You're still reading too fast, my old sunbeam, and don't forget, Jesus wants you for a sunbeam, to shine for him each day. 4/23/09 9:16 AM pew view    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: Yes, but it would be a sad day for Christianity if the preaching of the cross no longer involved preaching the love of God. Say What??? You separate the LOVE of GOD from the Crucifiction of His SON JESUS??? John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 4/23/09 7:46 AM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments 7xSeven wrote: "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1Cor 1:18 Yes, but it would be a sad day for Christianity if the preaching of the cross no longer involved preaching the love of God. It was love that drew salvation's plan in the first place. And the message which saves (the elect) is the same message which condemns the unbelieving sinner. Apart from that, I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your post bro.

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